XSF Discussion - 2018-11-11


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  45. pep. I agree with Ge0rG. As an example we've been slowly switching domains at work for all our services. For XMPP I don't see any other alternative than breaking everybody's roster (with s2s people), because nobody supports <moved/>. So I've been delaying that task as much as possible
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  60. Ge0rG Another example are all the @jabber.somedomain accounts from a time when we didn't have SRV records to make JID = email possible.
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  117. MattJ I'm happy to do whatever it takes to make moved work
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  119. jonas’ moved <3
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  127. MattJ But I don't have much bandwidth to think about it, so file bug reports
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  133. Ge0rG Moved is a huge mess.
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  136. fippo ge0rg: people added jabber. subdomains even after srv was well supported for s2s (iirc it was back in 2004/2005 even). The rationale must have been something like "jabber.ccc.de does it, they know what they are doing"
  137. Ge0rG fippo: that, or lack of knowledge of src
  138. Ge0rG fippo: that, or lack of knowledge of SRV
  139. jonas’ or lack of understanding
  140. fippo i would not rule out "openfire installer suggested it" either
  141. fippo but that was later... i think it only added s2s in... 2006?
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  143. Ge0rG BTW, even with the knowledge of SRV, there are many situations where it fails and clients have to fall back to A/AAAA
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  173. pep. And even with SRV, https://github.com/letsencrypt/boulder/issues/1309 :(
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  176. Zash Should maybe go look at what the ACME WG is doing.
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  178. Zash https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-acme-email-tls-05
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  489. pep. Zash, that acme email draft, is it just a new challenge method? Not sure I understand
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  491. pep. If so, meh. It's good that they have interest in other protocols, but I'm less worried about challenge methods
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  494. Zash pep.: yes. one that looks fairly generic and will likely become a SRV thing at some point, but maybe some of us should go prod that so it moves along
  495. pep. Yeah, their dns thing looks pretty much like SRV
  496. pep. But as I said, I don't really care about a new challenge method for now. I'd prefer to have them issue <protocol>-only certs :x
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  531. Zash pep.: Might be easier to argue for that if there's protocol specific challenges
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