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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[04:42:51] <pep.> I agree with Ge0rG. As an example we've been slowly switching domains at work for all our services. For XMPP I don't see any other alternative than breaking everybody's roster (with s2s people), because nobody supports <moved/>. So I've been delaying that task as much as possible
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[06:22:30] <Ge0rG> Another example are all the @jabber.somedomain accounts from a time when we didn't have SRV records to make JID = email possible.
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[09:50:29] <MattJ> I'm happy to do whatever it takes to make moved work
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[09:54:38] <jonas’> moved <3
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[10:01:08] <MattJ> But I don't have much bandwidth to think about it, so file bug reports
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[10:07:35] <Ge0rG> Moved is a huge mess.
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[10:14:56] <fippo> ge0rg: people added jabber. subdomains even after srv was well supported for s2s (iirc it was back in 2004/2005 even). The rationale must have been something like "jabber.ccc.de does it, they know what they are doing"
[10:15:25] <Ge0rG> fippo: that, or lack of knowledge of src
[10:15:33] <Ge0rG> fippo: that, or lack of knowledge of SRV
[10:15:38] <jonas’> or lack of understanding
[10:16:52] <fippo> i would not rule out "openfire installer suggested it" either
[10:17:21] <fippo> but that was later... i think it only added s2s in... 2006?
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[10:18:20] <Ge0rG> BTW, even with the knowledge of SRV, there are many situations where it fails and clients have to fall back to A/AAAA
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[11:49:46] <pep.> And even with SRV, https://github.com/letsencrypt/boulder/issues/1309 :(
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[11:53:56] <Zash> Should maybe go look at what the ACME WG is doing.
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[11:56:47] <Zash> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-acme-email-tls-05
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[21:32:25] <pep.> Zash, that acme email draft, is it just a new challenge method? Not sure I understand
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[21:32:57] <pep.> If so, meh. It's good that they have interest in other protocols, but I'm less worried about challenge methods
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[21:33:06] <Zash> pep.: yes. one that looks fairly generic and will likely become a SRV thing at some point, but maybe some of us should go prod that so it moves along
[21:33:27] <pep.> Yeah, their dns thing looks pretty much like SRV
[21:33:52] <pep.> But as I said, I don't really care about a new challenge method for now. I'd prefer to have them issue <protocol>-only certs :x
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[22:58:20] <Zash> pep.: Might be easier to argue for that if there's protocol specific challenges
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