XSF logo XSF Discussion - 2018-11-18


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  96. jonas’ what the heck is the jabber:x:signed namespace?
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  110. jonas’ https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0027.html oh-kay
  111. jonas’ so conversations does emit that on presences
  112. daniel That's how 27 works?!
  113. jonas’ I didn’t even know about '27 until I saw that huge jabber:x:signed blob on a presence stanza
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  120. Zash jonas’: thank glob for PEP
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  122. Link Mauve Wasn’t it around the time of 0027 that PEP got invented?
  123. Link Mauve Because it was clearly getting out of hand.
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  145. flow regarding xep198 'max': Smack throws away the session after min(max-client, max-server), to releaes resources because it assumes the session is no longer resumeable
  146. jonas’ mmm
  147. jonas’ I thought about that, but then I figured that the gain in resource consumption is most likely neglectible and giving the stream another chance might be worth it
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  149. jonas’ (also, I imagine servers might keep the ack counter around longer than max and return it on failed resumption which is nice)
  150. MattJ Yes
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  154. Holger flow: Hmm, I guess I should no longer include the 'max' attribute with `<enabled/>`.
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  156. jonas’ the @max isn’t used in aioxmpp at all, actually.
  157. flow jonas’, right, the implementation is before xep198 had that ack counter
  158. flow I cleary see why would try oportunistic resumption in any case
  159. flow which leads to the question what the use case for 'max' actually is
  160. jonas’ if you requested zero, you can check whether you got it
  161. jonas’ if you ask why would anyone want that: https://github.com/horazont/aioxmpp/issues/114
  162. flow Most likely the use case for the client 'max' is to limit the duration of the ghost presence
  163. jonas’ yes
  164. Holger But why check whether it worked?
  165. jonas’ Holger, dunno? :)
  166. flow jonas’, I only had a quick look at #114, but doesn't the user simply want to disable resumption?
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  168. jonas’ flow, yes
  169. flow ahh wait, let me guess, the only way to disable resumption with <enable/> is max=0?
  170. jonas’ :)
  171. jonas’ actually, no
  172. flow max=-1? ;)
  173. jonas’ > If the client wants to be allowed to resume the stream, it includes a boolean 'resume' attribute, which defaults to false [5]. For information about resuming a previous session, see the Resumption section of this document.
  174. Holger resume='false', no?
  175. jonas’ > If the client wants to be allowed to resume the stream, it includes a boolean 'resume' attribute, which defaults to false [5]. For information about resuming a previous session, see the Resumption section of this document.
  176. Holger Right.
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  179. flow phew, I thought I remember that the attribute exists, but a quick look at the example didn't reveal it
  180. jonas’ in fact, aioxmpp makes resumption_timeout=0 and request_resumption=False equivalent
  181. jonas’ flow, you need to look at Example 8
  182. jonas’ the first one is for resumption-less SM
  183. flow so ok, and I guess it is also sensible that the server announces a his 'max'
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  185. flow which means I may want to introduce a switch in smack to enable opportunistic resumption
  186. flow because Holger does dirty things
  187. daniel Do you not want to resume anyway just to get the h count?
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  189. daniel Even if the time has run up
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  193. flow daniel, it depends: if you want to minimize resource usage you may want to release the resources as soon as possible, if you want to get the 'h', then not. That is why I'm thinking about a switch to make the behavior configurable in Smack
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  195. Ge0rG flow: and then there is the situation where the client clock is running differently from the server clock
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  350. Zash Is https://xmpp.org/registrar/formtypes.html missing muc#roominfo or am I looking in the wrong place?
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  352. jonas’ you’re looking at an outdated page
  353. jonas’ most likely
  354. Zash ... and why is there a menu at the top *and* at the bottom of https://xmpp.org/ ?
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  356. Zash And how do you find the registry in this piece of marketing material?
  357. jonas’ you are at the right place for the registry
  358. jonas’ unfortunately, it’s not being maintained
  359. Zash :<
  360. jonas’ yes
  361. jonas’ https://github.com/xsf/registrar this is the source
  362. Zash Please use your own neural network to synthesize my reaction to this.
  363. Zash Anyways, the answer to my question is "no, there's no field for a web chat URL registered already"
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  367. Ge0rG And I'm not convinced there needs to be
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