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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[08:10:59] <Ge0rG> is it illegal to send a presence update to multiple joined MUCs using the same szanza id?
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[08:12:43] <jonas’> maybe
[08:13:21] <jonas’>
It is up to the originating entity whether the value of the 'id'
attribute is unique only within its current stream or unique
globally.
[08:13:37] <jonas’> you’re fulfilling neither of those .. requirements .. in that case
[08:16:55] <ralphm> But treating ids as unique in its own is bound to give you grief, so better take the addressing into account.
[08:17:08] <Ge0rG> oh god who wrote that code? `if (packetID != null ? !packetID.equals(packet.packetID) : packet.packetID != null) {`
[08:18:10] <ralphm> Oops
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[08:22:34] <Ge0rG> So I was just sending the same presence packet to multiple @to MUCs, to my own participant JID, but it turns out only to work randomly. And from the logs it seems to have uncovered another unrelated bug.
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[08:24:47] <Ge0rG> Oh my. You can't send-change-send the same Packet object in smack3.
[08:25:36] <ralphm> I think there's an assumption that clients don't repeat stanza ids on outbound traffic, but can't find the reference. As a recipient, you probably want to associate with the sender and recipient address. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of exploitable/buggy implementations.
[08:26:12] <ralphm> *especially* with MUC
[08:26:29] <Ge0rG> the problem is that I give smack3 a reference to the Packet object, not a copy. So by changing the JID, all of the enqueued references are sent to the same JID
[08:26:45] <ralphm> Haha
[08:26:58] <Ge0rG> which explains why the MUC status update happens randomly in a subset of MUCs
[08:27:03] <ralphm> That's a bad idea to try anyway
[08:27:11] <Ge0rG> because race conditions between enqueue and send thread.
[08:27:38] <Ge0rG> flow: does smack4 create a local copy of a Packet that you pass to sendPacket()?
[08:27:48] <ralphm> Yeah, once you send a stanza, don't touch it. I'm many libraries and languages.
[08:28:01] <ralphm> In
[08:28:11] <Ge0rG> See, I was just trying to be smart and to re-use resources.
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[08:29:43] <Ge0rG> also, should I set the same priority for MUCs as for my normal presence, or just keep it at 0?
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[08:30:48] <jonas’> aioxmpp would behave the same
[08:31:00] <Ge0rG> the nicest thing is, when I was debugging the user report, single-stepping through the code made the bug vanish.
[08:31:04] <jonas’> but it also has a convenient way to duplicate a stanza, so...
[08:31:35] <jonas’> oh, a heisenbug
[08:32:37] <ralphm> No, presence to MUC is directed and you can do whatever
[08:32:51] <Ge0rG> And I was short of telling the user they are crazy. After they provided logs, I got suspicious, because the 0198 logger told me the packet is not being counted, which should never happen after <enable/>
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[08:41:43] <flow> Ge0rG, no, that wouldn't be sensible, as you had to pay the copy operation for every sendStanza() whereas I'd assume only a minority calls would benefit from it
[08:42:01] <flow> but Presence has a copy constructor
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[08:42:18] <Ge0rG> flow: not in smack3 ;)
[08:42:44] <flow> yeah, I can't really comment on five year old code
[08:42:58] <Ge0rG> flow: it might be a good idea then to add a @warning to the docs, telling to never submit the same Packet twice.
[08:43:36] <Ge0rG> C++ has some sophisticated ownership management cruft around that. I don't think there is any way to enforce that in Java though
[08:43:54] <flow> I'm not sure if it justifies a warning since it is common for sink like functions that you hand over ownership of the provided arguments, but a note to the javadoc sure can't hurt
[08:44:47] <Ge0rG> it's not going to prevent people from doing what I did, leading to hard to debug issues. But after they realize what they did wrong, they'll see the message in the docs and feel even more ashamed.
[08:44:57] <jonas’> hah
[08:45:45] <flow> patches welcome ;)
[08:46:04] <Ge0rG> I had to look up the semantics of Queue.contains() and single-step through Packet.equals() to be enlighted
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[09:52:44] <Seve> Hey guys, I couldn't attend the meeting yesterday unfortunately, but congratulations to everyone and thank you very much Alex :)
[09:53:59] <jonas’> Seve, congratulations to you, too :)
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[09:54:31] <Ge0rG> and congratulations to jonas’ as well!
[09:55:09] <jonas’> thanks, but didn’t we have that yesterday or did I miss something? ;-)
[09:56:04] <Ge0rG> jonas’: I think I didn't congratulate you specifically.
[09:56:10] <jonas’> ah, well
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[09:59:59] *Seve sends happy stanzas for everyone.
[10:01:31] *Ge0rG now wonders what the XML looks like for that
[10:02:04] <Zash> User Mood?
[10:02:39] <Zash> `<happy xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/mood'/>`
[10:03:20] <jonas’> <x xmlns="jabber:x:oob"><url>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbZSe6N_BXs</url></x>?
[10:03:38] <Zash> Lol ❌
[10:03:57] <Ge0rG> jonas’: I'm disappointed in your taste of music.
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[10:04:21] <Ge0rG> (I also kind of had expected https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLzxrzFCyOs)
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[10:05:20] <jonas’> Ge0rG, who says that this is my taste of music?
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[10:07:03] <Ge0rG> jonas’: I considered it would be too meta if you implied that that was Seve's music taste.
[10:08:51] <jonas’> no, I don’t know his music taste :)
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[10:10:42] <Seve> I like human music
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[10:14:57] <Ge0rG> as opposed to computer-generated music?
[10:15:26] <Ge0rG> what about music written by humans and performed by computers? (the 386dx project comes to mind)
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[10:24:43] <Seve> It was a reference to a show called Rick and Morty :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1jWdeRKvvk
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