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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[03:47:02] <pep.> https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Philosophy_overview we should update this page with service names nowadays' youngters can relate to
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[15:24:45] <Kev> OT, but any Go devs here? I'm going to write a web thingy and https://awesome-go.com/#web-frameworks lists far too many frameworks. Anyone an opinion on a sensible default to choose? Mostly RESTish.
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[15:30:09] <moparisthebest> What about rust instead https://rocket.rs/ is good
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[15:35:36] <Zash> https://cerdale.zash.se/upload/W8sl3dLXziwCN9uZ/2k1ut81gpcl01.png
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[15:50:45] <Kev> "Rocket makes abundant use of Rust's syntax extensions and other advanced, unstable features. Because of this, we'll need to use a nightly version of Rust." That sort of thing sounds like exactly what's needed to sell a library.
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[15:51:28] <Zash> That's (part of) my impression of Rust overall :|
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[15:55:56] <Kev> Rust definitely has some really nice features, just comes across as quite immature to me.
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[16:01:15] <guusdk> Kev: I think Sam is a Go developer.
[16:01:26] <Kev> That's what I thought.
[16:01:46] <ralphm> He certainly made a lot of noise about that
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[16:17:46] <SamWhited> I do a lit of Go and Rust web stuff, and can provide semi-informed opinions if they're not needed right away (I'm not at a computer until later tonight)
[16:18:23] <Kev> No great rush, thanks.
[16:18:28] <SamWhited> For Rust, this site is a bit optimustic (the answer is still 'no'), but informative: https://www.arewewebyet.org/
[16:19:26] <SamWhited> But all that should change soon, some festures in the latest release should make some frameworks that only work on nightly run on stable
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[16:25:34] <Kev> Ta.
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[16:29:05] <SamWhited> optimistic, even
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[16:31:37] <Kev> But you wouldn't write a web app right now in Rust, you'd use Go?
[16:32:40] <SamWhited> Yah, personally I think the libraries for Rust are a bit immature. They're getting there
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[16:33:29] <Kev> TY.
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[16:33:54] <Kev> I'll pick some Go framework at random :)
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[16:41:26] <SamWhited> I never bother with the frameworks, personally, they all tend to lock you into bad practices that make things harder later
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[16:50:06] <pep.> Kev, re rust, https://www.arewewebyet.org/ there are other frameworks usable with the stable channel
[16:50:27] <pep.> Ah
[16:50:31] <pep.> It's been linked already
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[16:53:18] <Kev> SamWhited: But solving CSRF, oauth etc. seem like things best done with a library than doing it myself?
[16:53:33] <pep.> Probably yes
[16:53:34] <SamWhited> oh yah, I use libraries
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[16:58:22] <Kev> authboss looked quite sane at first glance, but I might be missing something.
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[17:08:46] <SamWhited> https://godoc.org/golang.org/x/net/xsrftoken is always good
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[17:12:06] <SamWhited> also https://godoc.org/golang.org/x/oauth2
[17:12:16] <Kev> Ta.
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[20:20:45] <SamWhited> At a computer now if you have specific questions
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[20:31:31] <Kev> Thanks Sam, not anything specific, I'm just about to start writing a hobby project, was thinking Go, that'll involve oauth-based calls to a service, user profiles, needs xsrf protection, some DB stuff.
[20:32:02] <Kev> If you had suggested libraries for any of that (you already helped with oauth and xsrf, thanks) I'd be grateful. I was intending using a framework to tie the bits together, but if you think they suck I'll not bother, thanks.
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[20:36:26] <SamWhited> What DB?
[20:36:45] <SamWhited> I'm sure there are frameworks that are okay, but I've never found the need for one. Small composable bits tend to work well for me.
[20:36:52] <SamWhited> The frameworks I have tried are terrible.
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[20:40:28] <Kev> Postgres most likely.
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[20:43:43] <SamWhited> Use the standard library https://golang.org/pkg/database/sql/
[20:43:51] <SamWhited> and https://godoc.org/github.com/lib/pq for the driver
[20:44:02] <SamWhited> I've tried a handful of postgres drivers, and I always go back to that one
[20:44:33] <Kev> Ta.
[20:45:26] <SamWhited> User profiles don't sound like a thing that would be a library, but maybe I don't understand what that means?
[20:46:05] <Kev> User accounts, registration, tracking user sessions etc.
[20:46:36] <Kev> https://github.com/volatiletech/authboss looked that-ish, but no idea if it's any good.
[20:46:49] <SamWhited> Ah yah, I always just do that by hand, I'm not sure about good libraries for it.
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[20:49:55] <SamWhited> This API surface looks huge, which always makes me nervous; also a lot of useless interfaces I suspect, but I haven't used it so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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