Wednesday, November 28, 2018
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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[15:03:26] <Maranda> I thought igniterealtime.org had IBR open
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[15:26:54] <jonas’> the XMPP logo, what are the conditions for use?
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[15:45:00] <edhelas> by the way for the upcoming XMPP newsletter, is it possible to add the release of Movim 0.14 ?
[15:45:20] <Seve> edhelas: yes
[15:46:43] <edhelas> https://nl.movim.eu/?node/pubsub.movim.eu/Movim/movim-0-14-scotty-anniversary-edition-J8qk3N
[15:46:44] <edhelas> :)
[15:46:53] <edhelas> 0.14.1 will follow soon I think
[15:46:55] <jonas’> Seve, I’d like to append that Muclumbus now lives on the search.jabber.network domain and has seen some minor extensions, such as [software version and service type statistics](https://search.jabber.network/stats)
[15:47:17] <Seve> You got it, jonas’
[15:47:21] <Ge0rG> when is newsletter day again?
[15:47:23] <jonas’> Seve, I’d like to append that the [Public Chat Room search Muclumbus](https://search.jabber.network/) now lives on the search.jabber.network domain and has seen some minor extensions, such as [software version and service type statistics](https://search.jabber.network/stats)
[15:47:28] <jonas’> Ge0rG, 1st of month
[15:48:16] <Ge0rG> Damn, I wanted to write a yaxim 0.9.3 release announcement
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[15:48:48] <Seve> Still in time :P
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[15:49:15] <Ge0rG> Seve: but I don't have the time to write it.
[15:49:30] <Ge0rG> maybe tomorrow on the train, unless I take the automobile.
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[15:57:49] <moparisthebest> jonas’: is there a way to search which domains are running which software listed on there
[15:59:59] <jonas’> moparisthebest, not from the webinterface
[16:00:07] <jonas’> the database has the information though
[16:01:05] <moparisthebest> Ah bummer, thanks
[16:01:14] <jonas’> moparisthebest, anything in particular you want to know?
[16:01:35] <moparisthebest> The echo services
[16:01:39] <jonas’> ah
[16:01:54] <jonas’> they’re echo.some.domain typically; I heard that some ejabberd versions had those enabled by default
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[16:04:54] <moparisthebest> so I wrote https://github.com/moparisthebest/xmpp-echo-self and host it at echo.burtrum.org but didn't know anything else remotely similar existed
[16:05:11] <moparisthebest> was curious what they did and if I could maybe use them instead :)
[16:05:22] <jonas’> apparently, they’re open to the world ;-)
[16:05:25] <jonas’> but I wouldn’t rely on the service.
[16:05:37] <moparisthebest> well I meant in a 'something else had already been written' sense
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[16:31:39] <daniel> Why aren't mam messages type=headline?
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[16:38:00] <Ge0rG> Yes.
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[16:38:25] <Ge0rG> I think this is due to most XEP authors not explicitly thinking about message type.
[16:38:53] <Ge0rG> And around a year ago, I came to the realization that type=headline would be the best for MAM with RFC6120 routing rules
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[16:40:20] <daniel> Well I'm glad we talked about it
[16:40:35] <MattJ> PRs welcome :)
[16:41:02] <daniel> MattJ: to the xep?
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[16:41:19] <daniel> I'm happy to do that
[16:41:21] <MattJ> Does it currently recommend a message type? or does it just not mention it?
[16:41:34] <jonas’> inb4 the examples are just type-less (i.e. normal)
[16:41:46] <jonas’> yupp
[16:42:01] <daniel> So we can change it without a ns bump?
[16:42:01] <Zash> How do you like having MAM results in MAM?
[16:42:03] <daniel> Lol
[16:42:03] <Zash> and carbons?
[16:42:28] <daniel> Yes that's the reason for making it headline
[16:42:37] <MattJ> One reason
[16:42:43] <Ge0rG> Can I have Carbons of MAM results please?
[16:42:53] <daniel> Mam + carbons are two reason 😊
[16:43:06] <Ge0rG> headline is not immune to Carbons.
[16:43:19] <MattJ> I'm curious if any clients check the message type though
[16:43:26] <Ge0rG> the actual reason I see is message re-routing when the receiving client disconnects
[16:43:39] <Zash> We almost need a type that's explicitly for non-message data
[16:43:50] <Ge0rG> Zash: except we can't.
[16:43:56] <Zash> XMPP 2.0!
[16:44:23] <Zash> Anyways, this ties into the Carbons / MAM rule of normal messages IFF they have <body>
[16:44:31] <daniel> but headlines are already ignored by mam and carbon, aren’t they?
[16:44:51] <Zash> daniel: What if I want MAM of pubsub events?
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[16:46:02] <daniel> i think what we really need is a matrix like blockchain of messages
[16:46:49] <Ge0rG> 0280 doesn't even mention headline.
[16:46:55] <Zash> It's not a chat system, it's a real time distributed graph database
[16:46:55] <Ge0rG> Is anybody using headline for anything?
[16:47:08] <Zash> Ge0rG: Notifications mostly
[16:47:12] <jonas’> pubsub is using headline I thin
[16:47:36] <Zash> I've got server notifications as headline
[16:47:46] <Zash> some are pubsub
[16:48:01] <jonas’> spammers use headline, too
[16:48:09] <jonas’> cf. https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/17237
[16:48:14] <jonas’> see https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/17237
[16:48:36] <Ge0rG> Zash: server notifications for you to read or for pubsub stuff?
[16:49:55] <Zash> Ge0rG: Stuff like s2s cert failures. Pubsub stuff include a RSS/Atom feed.
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[16:51:10] <Ge0rG> is that a yes or no?
[16:51:56] <Zash> Ge0rG: I don't understand the question
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[16:53:53] <Zash> I'm using headline messages for things. Poezio does a very good job with showing them.
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[16:54:11] <Ge0rG> Zash: so your headline messages have a body.
[16:54:18] <Zash> Correct
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[17:31:56] <ralphm> Pubsub doesn't require headline, but usually people choose that to make the notifications transient/volatile. E.g. prevent storage in MAM.
[17:32:21] <ralphm> Body elements in them are nice for having a fallback payload.
[17:32:37] <ralphm> So that clients can still display something
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[17:50:59] <daniel> yeah i think that mid term you might want the pubsub notifications that generated automatically (like pep sending it on every login) to be headline. and 'proper' pubsub notifications to be type=normal and land in mam
[17:52:41] <Zash> There's a configuration option for that.
[17:52:45] <Zash> PubSub has everything!
[17:53:14] <daniel> Cool
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[17:57:49] <Ge0rG> In theory, Carbons should be headline as well by that logic.
[17:57:51] <MattJ> Pubsub has everything, and MUC has everything else
[17:57:54] <MattJ> and it's still not enough
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[18:31:17] <ralphm> That's why we're doing MIX, right?
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[18:57:22] <Ge0rG> Because it combines the complexity of pubsub with the bad design of muc?
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[19:05:24] <ralphm> I don't agree that a) pubsub is complex, b) MIX is badly designed. So, no.
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[19:08:59] *rion is eating popcorn and waiting when mix becomes draft standard
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[19:10:19] <moparisthebest> that might end up being a LOT of popcorn
[19:10:21] <ralphm> Well, that might take a while, indeed. Multiple implementations might help. My team is working on this and I intend to relay some (more) feedback.
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[19:16:03] <Ge0rG> ralphm: that would be awesome indeed. I'd like to be proven wrong.
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[19:16:39] <rion> btw does anyone have a voice messages xep in mind? I know Conversation implements something, but I'd like to pass some metadata with the message like amplitude histogram for example.
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[19:17:40] <ralphm> Oh, interesting. I'd suggest looking at the SIMS spec, and adding something analogous to thumbnails.
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[19:18:13] <ralphm> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0385.html
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[19:20:04] <rion> I guess I have to implement xep-0385 for Psi-2.0 and propose a change to the xep afterwards :)
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[19:21:30] <rion> let be so
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[19:21:46] <ralphm> I don't think adding a histogram requires changing XEP-0385. That said, the specification should be worked out a bit better.
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[19:26:57] <rion> "Table 2: Mandated encoding and in-line display support." -> Format/Container -> mpeg4
Hm I implemented my voice messages with Matroska..
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[19:27:27] <Ge0rG> You can also add inline image thumbnails. There is https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0264.html and I think some other spec
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[19:29:15] <ralphm> Yeah, the reference to that is missing, but the example shows that spec used for thumbnails.
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[19:29:43] <ralphm> rion: the reason for this is extensive OS support in mobile
[19:30:14] <rion> I see
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[19:30:31] <ralphm> Then again, this spec is a work in progress (please provide feedback) and it says "SHOULD".
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[19:33:31] <rion> anyway I'll try to change that.
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[21:44:11] <lovetox> what was the intention on putting the timezone in another tag
[21:44:12] <lovetox> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0202.html#protocol
[21:44:26] <lovetox> to use this xep you need a dateTime profile parser
[21:44:44] <lovetox> if you have that parser you can handle all timezones already
[21:44:51] <lovetox> in the dateTime profile string
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[21:45:01] <lovetox> why put it into another tag
[21:45:10] <lovetox> just so it gets harder to parse?
[21:45:29] <lovetox> additionally it adds confusen
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[21:45:52] <lovetox> because first instinct of any sane person is that i dont end the utc timestamp with a Z
[21:45:59] <lovetox> because its in a <utc> tag
[21:46:11] <lovetox> it redundant
[21:46:40] <lovetox> but then the xep says it MUST be conform to the dateTime profile, and the dateTime profile says it is mandatory to have a timezone
[21:46:41] <Zash> I think there was a reason but I'm not sure I remember it well enough to describe it
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[21:47:30] <lovetox> Then you end up with situations like
<time xmlns='urn:xmpp:time'>
<tzo>Z</tzo>
<utc>2006-12-19T17:58:35Z</utc>
</time>

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[21:48:44] <Zash> Fun fact: Prosodys timestamp lib doesn't preserve the timezone from the timestamp.
[21:48:55] <Zash> Nor can it generate timestamps with anything but Z as timezone
[21:49:51] <lovetox> what do you mean with preserve
[21:50:00] <lovetox> what is the source?
[21:50:15] <lovetox> i hope you dont mean it alters the timestamp the users sends
[21:50:20] <Zash> I think the reason for the separate tags was something like the timestamp being just a timestamp and the timezone in it doesn't mean anything
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[21:50:42] <Zash> Prosody doesn't touch urn:xmpp:time
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[21:52:20] <lovetox> then what time does it not preserve, in what situation does prosody need to generate a timestamp with a timezone?
[21:52:46] <Zash> How do you search for previous discussions on this topic when every page like http://logs.xmpp.org/summit/2013-01-28/ has "show time in local time, rather than in UTC"
[21:54:09] <lovetox> the only reason i see for this is, so a client does not have to calculate UTC
[21:54:20] <lovetox> but then again he has to calculate local time instead
[21:54:23] <lovetox> ..
[21:55:09] <lovetox> you need all your datetime lib stuff to use this xep
[21:55:39] <lovetox> showing the utc+tz to the user seems useless
[21:56:03] <lovetox> so you have to calculate it to the localtime of the contact
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[21:56:50] <Zash> lovetox: how about https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/peptzo.html
[21:56:54] <lovetox> thats most of the time the point, where you depend on a thirdparty lib, because datetime stuff is just crazy
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[21:57:33] <Zash> if parsing the timestamp gives you an integer, then you want to offset separate
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[22:00:14] <daniel> > lovetox: how about https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/peptzo.html
Oh that's actually cool
[22:00:16] <lovetox> this is rightfully never advanced
[22:00:32] <lovetox> i dont see the use for this at all
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[22:00:58] <lovetox> should i really subscribe to that, then i get it on each connect from all of my contacts
[22:01:08] <daniel> Because people ask me to display the time zone of a contact - which I get because you want to know if your buddy slash coworker is awake
[22:01:30] <daniel> But doing the IQ request you have to update that again and again
[22:01:31] <lovetox> and entity time does provide it since 10 years
[22:01:43] <lovetox> how often do you change timezones?
[22:02:01] <lovetox> that you need live updates on it the second it happens
[22:02:01] <daniel> You don't know. That's the point
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[22:02:17] <daniel> You don't know how often you need to update it
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[22:02:58] <lovetox> thats not a reason why i want constantly updates
[22:03:06] <lovetox> 99% useless
[22:03:24] <lovetox> show the timezone in the details page, and do a query if someone access it
[22:03:30] <lovetox> does the job fine
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[22:04:40] <daniel> I imagine a UI where it warns you a bit more prominently if the time zone a) diverges a lot from yours and b) it is night time at your contacts
[22:04:59] <daniel> Can only be a small icon
[22:05:11] <daniel> But I don't want to hide it in an extra page
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[22:06:23] <daniel> Like turn the send button into a some sort of 😴 symbol
[22:06:35] <daniel> Something not intrusive
[22:06:39] <lovetox> i think there will be a point in the future where we have to cut back on these subscriptions
[22:06:50] <daniel> But I nice nudge not to annoy your international fiends
[22:06:57] <SamWhited> That is the feature I miss most about Google Talk; it had the little red phone icon when people were likely to be asleep.
[22:07:14] <daniel> > i think there will be a point in the future where we have to cut back on these subscriptions
Yes. But that is independent of that
[22:07:22] <SamWhited> It was fantastic when traveling
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[22:07:39] <Zash> Receiving the same updates over and over is a problem in itself that we'll probably want to fix at some point
[22:07:42] <lovetox> of course notification is always better than poll
[22:07:48] <Zash> Eg look at "pubsub since" and the like
[22:07:52] <daniel> Those omemo keys make more traffic than a little tzo
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[22:08:20] <daniel> And yes that is something we at some point need to think about
[22:08:27] <lovetox> i also get a little, mood, activity, location, usernickname, useravatar
[22:08:29] <Zash> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0312.html
[22:08:38] <daniel> But that doesn't excuse switching to poll
[22:08:41] <Zash> Not sure I like relative time tho
[22:09:50] <lovetox> but how do you want to tacle that
[22:10:04] <lovetox> it would mean clients have to store the state localy over restarts
[22:10:15] <lovetox> if the server only sends new stuff
[22:10:31] <daniel> I'm already doing that for a lot of things
[22:10:38] <daniel> Avatar, omemo device ids
[22:11:26] <lovetox> yes, although, for device ids only because of bad server implementations
[22:11:41] <daniel> Yes and the avater for the Same reason
[22:11:55] <daniel> But the point is that storing ain't no rocket science
[22:12:00] <lovetox> really? avatar has to be cached because otherwise it would be a waste
[22:12:09] <lovetox> its a different node we have to poll
[22:12:13] <lovetox> and we save that when we cache
[22:12:38] <lovetox> yes im not saying storing that info is bad, of course its not hard
[22:12:55] <lovetox> but then we would need some switch, that says, give me from all of my clients the current state
[22:13:00] <lovetox> when im losing this store
[22:13:23] <lovetox> *contacts not clients
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[22:15:08] <daniel> Yeah I might revitalize the tzo pep xeo
[22:15:11] <daniel> *xep
[22:15:38] <daniel> I mean as you've guess from my elaborate explanation I have the UI all worked out
[22:15:47] <daniel> Just the poll problem bothered me
[22:15:52] <Zash> I don't have any state: <presence><{caps}c .../></p>
I have cached state from 1h ago: <presence><{caps}c .../><ago xmlns='urn:xmpp:ago:0' secs='86400'/></p>
[22:16:34] <Zash> But as I said, I don't like relative times like that
[22:17:07] <Zash> Not that exact timestamps are perfect either
[22:17:47] <Zash> Something that identifies the last id of every pubsub event you've seen wouldn't really work either
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[22:18:08] <Zash> However, MattJs magic device tracking might save us?
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[22:31:28] <MattJ> As always
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[22:37:15] <ralphm> One thing I like about Slack is when you do an @channel it says how many people in how many timezones will get a notification. Are you sure?
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[22:43:56] <Zash> Does it? Haven't noticed
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[22:57:59] <edhelas> Can someone enlighten me on this comment? https://github.com/movim/movim/issues/711#issuecomment-418456713
[22:58:27] <edhelas> To me it seems that the XMPP MUC services are filtering content of presences, is my assumption right?
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[23:05:05] <Zash> MUC should filter out MUC-related namespaces that it didn't add itself. Caps and stuff should not be touched.
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[23:33:08] <Link Mauve> rion, oh, I missed this table in SIMS, mandating AAC and H.264 in XMPP sets a very nasty precedent wrt patents.
[23:33:22] <Link Mauve> It means you can’t support that without paying the MPEG-LA.
[23:33:45] <Link Mauve> I’d like XMPP to stay possible to implement without having to pay anything.
[23:34:51] <rion> and I'm fighting all the evening to write aac from Qt. no luck.. :(
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[23:36:18] <Link Mauve> Opus is definitely superior, both in quality of compression and because it doesn’t require you to be subject to patents.
[23:36:28] <Link Mauve> I’d recommend using this codec.
[23:36:50] <rion> opus works for me. but still in mp4 container?
[23:37:25] <Link Mauve> Ogg is generally used for it.
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[23:38:22] <rion> good. I like opus. I use it for audio calls in Psi.
[23:38:47] <Link Mauve> Yeah, it’s the current best codec for voice.
[23:38:51] <rion> so if it will be used for audio messages. then I need less binaries =)
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[23:39:45] <rion> So I guess opus has to be mentioned in 385
[23:39:48] <Link Mauve> rion, do you implement the various WebRTC mandatory specifications for audio calls? I’m currently working on Jingle in another client and I’d like to do interoperability tests.
[23:40:10] <Link Mauve> rion, yes, you can start a discussion on standards@ maybe.
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[23:40:29] <rion> Link Mauve: it's jingle in Psi.
[23:40:34] <Link Mauve> Having a codec which is patent-encumbered in most parts of the world in a XEP is a very bad idea.
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[23:41:16] <Link Mauve> rion, I know, but do you also implement e.g. XEP-0339, XEP-0338, XEP-0294, etc.?
[23:41:42] <Link Mauve> XEP-0320 is also pretty important.
[23:41:52] <rion> I'd like to. I do my bests but my spare time is quite limited :(
[23:42:28] <Link Mauve> Ok.
[23:42:37] <Link Mauve> Do you support ICE btw?
[23:43:00] <rion> yes
[23:43:17] <Link Mauve> Nice.
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[23:46:26] <rion> Audio calls in Psi was initially implemented by Justin Kerneges. I did just a few changes to ICE and rewrote media library to be compatible with gstreamer-1.0. That was many years ago. So many new audio calls related xeps are not supported.
[23:47:04] <Link Mauve> Ok, makes sense.
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[23:50:23] <Link Mauve> I’ve had to learn a bunch of that recently for this project, so if you ever come around to implement them you can ask me anything you don’t understand.
[23:50:50] <rion> Link Mauve: thanks
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