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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[08:42:58] <daniel> btw I think it was a good thing to split up the MIX specs
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[08:43:42] <daniel> makes reading and understanding the important parts easier
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[08:46:21] <Kev> 👍
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[09:01:42] <Kev> daniel: I think that repeater JID (I forget what we call it) in MIX can actually fully repeat PEP if it chooses to, can't it?
[09:03:13] <Kev> Ah, except the MIX room isn't 'both' in the user's roster, so won't be triggering +notify. Hrm.
[09:03:19] <Kev> Maybe they should be 'both', then?
[09:05:26] <daniel> there is a repeater jid?
[09:05:40] <daniel> the presence subscription will go to the channel jid
[09:05:48] <daniel> and then the channel could do something with it
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[09:07:16] <daniel> however i think it might be better if my own account deals with the subscriptions. because my account (by looking at the participant node) knows what people i already have in my roster and with what other people i might be in two different rooms with
[09:07:18] <Kev> I don't remember where the JIDs are specced since the split, hang on.
[09:07:37] <Ge0rG> Proxy JID
[09:07:40] <Kev> Where the rooms are JID visible and you have each other in your rosters, this is all straightforward.
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[09:14:22] <daniel> what about room jids visible and not in each others roster
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[09:17:24] <Ge0rG> What about restricting which PEP nodes you want to make accessible to other MIX participants?
[09:18:54] <daniel> isn’t the access model we already have for pep enough?
[09:19:27] <daniel> also i'd be happy if we can get that subscription managment mess sorted out before i think about acl
[09:19:57] <Zash> PEP+ has everything you could ever want
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[09:29:44] <pep.> At your service
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[09:32:05] <Ge0rG> Are there problems that are not solved by forwarding all PEP request sent to the proxy JID to the real JID?
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[09:32:39] <Zash> Prosody 0.11 does that trough MUC now 😉
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[09:47:13] <flow> reads like a fantanstic sprint you had, congrats everyone :)
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[09:48:36] <daniel> Ge0rG, my problem is not about 'reaching the jid' but about managing subscriptions to it
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[09:48:46] <pep.> Lots of ways to improve as always but it was great yeah. Thanks jc for organizing it
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[10:01:15] *Ge0rG didn't write a single line of code at the sprint
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[12:23:13] <pep.> Here you go, we always need a percentage of people slacking off.
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[12:27:55] <Ge0rG> So I'm the bad guy, as always.
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[12:28:09] <pep.> Thanks for volunteering
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[13:29:53] <daniel> We have a xep that allows muc clients to join a mix channel. Wouldn't it be cool if the mix account thing could also join us in a muc? So from a client perspective we only ever speak mix?
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[13:30:31] <daniel> This could then be merged with the account joins muc concept that some people have been thinking about
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[13:35:47] <Zash> An upgrade path with smaller steps might be easier to get done, yeah
[13:36:13] <Zash> In theory the account-based-muc thing could transparently translate to MIX
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[13:36:38] <Zash> Probably with some painful tradeoffs, but smaller steps are easier to take 🙂
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[13:37:14] <lovetox> daniel are you working on implementing mix?
[13:37:31] <daniel> I'm working on *reading* mix
[13:37:50] <daniel> It's only been a couple of hours
[13:37:57] <lovetox> i would be interested to develop against some server that has maybe even some basics of mix implemented
[13:38:06] <lovetox> i remember ejabberd once had a module or not?
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[13:38:49] <Zash> Has the rate of change slowed down enough that MIX won't change under your feet while you're implementing?
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[13:39:23] <daniel> Probably
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[13:43:45] <lovetox> with the rate of xeps that make it to draft these days, i guess this is as far as it will ever get
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[14:01:40] <Ge0rG> > Wouldn't it be cool if the mix account thing could also join us in a muc?
Awesome idea!
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[14:02:50] <edhelas> I have a question regarding https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0085.html#bizrules-gen
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[14:03:12] <edhelas> this says that you should not send chatstate if the other client doesn't supports it in his capabilities
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[14:03:23] <edhelas> what about sending messages to the bare jid ?
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[14:03:59] <Link Mauve> You can’t know. Before, we implemented resource locking, but it’s been considered deprecated for a while so we switched to ignoring this text in 0085.
[14:04:38] <edhelas> so basically I can simply close https://github.com/movim/movim/issues/158 as a wontfix :p
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[14:05:38] <Ge0rG> edhelas: yes. Burn resource locking with fire
[14:06:04] <daniel> yeah i mean at least in mucs it breaks apart anyway
[14:06:08] <Ge0rG> edhelas: because Carbons will be emitted to other clients which well might support it (or vice versa)
[14:06:51] <edhelas> happy to close a 2 years bug with a wontfix \o/
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[14:07:32] *Ge0rG just today wontfixed a yaxim issue from 2011.
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[14:31:44] <Guus> dwd, you around? a one-on-one with you gives me errors
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[14:32:43] <Guus> nor are you in open_chat, where our weekly festivities are about to commence 🙂
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[19:43:00] <Neustradamus> New ticket about jabber.org dh key too small: https://github.com/stpeter/jabberdotorg/issues/6
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[19:50:11] <Ge0rG> Stop the presses! Inform the government! 😁
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[20:26:15] <Neustradamus> Ge0rG: the main XMPP server of the World must to be an example ;)
[20:27:57] <Zash> Neustradamus: Conversations.im ? :P
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[20:29:58] <moparisthebest> Neustradamus, hmm doesn't say how long it was though...
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[20:31:10] <Zash> It's using 1024 bit DH parameters
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[20:31:26] <Zash> Recent OpenSSL is rejecting that
[20:31:38] <moparisthebest> nice
[20:34:51] <Zash> ECDHE should work fine, if you trust that kind of dark elliptic magic.
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[20:38:38] <Ge0rG> Reminds me of my gradle refusing to download dependencies when running under Java 7
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[20:48:24] <Neustradamus> Guus: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/operators/2018-November/thread.html -> A guy speak about my tickets of XMPP.net
Have you looked the problem since this moment?
[20:50:39] <guusdk> Neustradamus: yes, part of the problem was solved, the others are being looked at by iteam.
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[20:51:15] <Guus> (what my alterego said)
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[20:55:39] <Neustradamus> Guus: guusdk Nice, do not hesitated to update all the tickets...
[20:56:25] <Neustradamus> xmpp.net has last xmppoke version?
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