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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[00:17:20] <Neustradamus> Ge0rG, ralphm: About SJ...

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[00:30:00] <moparisthebest> Isn't it something that now that xsf knows about it, it has 30 days to enforce jabber trademark or lose it?
[00:30:33] <moparisthebest> Maybe this'll finally kill jabber once and for all, long live XMPP
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[09:38:31] <Zash> Does the XSF need to enforce that? Is that in the agreement with Cisco?
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[09:40:08] <Ge0rG> Zash: the original agreement requires the XSF to take action to not lose the sublicence.
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[09:50:57] <ralphm> Peter is on it
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[11:23:57] <Guus> Persistent buggers...
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[11:35:49] <Guus> Are they using the trademark anywhere except for in the domain name?
[11:35:57] <jonas’> the application name itself?
[11:36:09] <jonas’> oh no, they renamed themselves to SJ for that reason
[11:36:10] <jonas’> I recall
[11:37:25] <Guus> https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/jdev/2013-April/089420.html
[11:37:25] <Guus> yeah
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[12:10:53] <ralphm> We can ask what Peter did exactly back then
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[12:19:49] <Guus> From what I read in the mailing list archives, Peter was happy with them having renamed their product from "SafetyJabber" to "SF", and retaining the domain name. From what I can read back, Peter explicitly restored their listing in our list of clients.
[12:20:23] <Guus> Has something changed in the mean time? Why is this coming up now?
[12:23:19] <jonas’> Neustradamus, you brought it up, why?
[12:28:28] <Guus> From what I read in the mailing list archives, Peter was happy with them having renamed their product from "SafetyJabber" to "SJ", and retaining the domain name. From what I can read back, Peter explicitly restored their listing in our list of clients.
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[12:37:35] <vanitasvitae> Duplicate message?
[12:40:19] <Guus> edit
[12:41:24] <Guus> (SF -> SJ)
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[12:41:50] <Guus> if your client does not support the XEP, it'll show as a new message.
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[12:43:23] <Kev> Even if it does, in my case.
[12:44:06] <Guus> screenshot?
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[12:47:39] <Kev> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ixy12iudbbqhrx8/Screenshot%202018-12-14%2012.47.31.png?dl=0
[12:48:54] <daniel> Might depend on your definition of last message
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[12:53:05] <Guus> I like how Converse shows it: with a small icon to indicate that the message was added, which opens a popup with the change history
[12:53:16] <Guus> https://xmpp.igniterealtime.org:7483/httpfileupload/9f967081-c41e-496f-9b3c-f49089f89e08/Screenshot%20from%202018-12-14%2013-52-39.png
[12:53:53] <Guus> Hargh, one of these days I'll learn to not press the 'close' icon in a screenshot.
[12:54:08] <Guus> every. bloody. time.
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[14:14:53] <genofire> Guus, thanks for remember me to update converse.js ;)
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[14:15:31] <Guus> genofire github now supports a 'watch for releases only' type of thingy.
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[14:19:35] <genofire> i know - i also have to current release -> just want to update to master/HEAD
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[21:02:29] <jonas’> quick poll: I am looking at the LCs which need to be re-emitted due to board/council switchover. There is at least one. I am considering to delay the re-opening until after western New Year’s, because I *assume* that many folks won’t be able to act on the LC anyways.
[21:02:30] <jonas’> Opinions?
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[21:04:01] <lovetox> my opinion in this case probably doesnt count much, but seems like a sane idea, just make sure its not forgotten after NY and we find it in 3 months again
[21:04:21] <jonas’> will put it in my calendar :)
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[21:20:54] <Ge0rG> jonas’: which LC is there? 0280?
[21:23:19] <jonas’> '381 for board, '363 for Council
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[21:24:09] <jonas’> '280 is ... in an unclear state, too
[21:25:50] <Ge0rG> Is 363 fixed now?
[21:25:55] <jonas’> not sure
[21:26:16] <jonas’> not as far as I can tell
[21:26:23] <jonas’> there was something added about CORS, but it’s unrelated
[21:26:54] <Ge0rG> So it's still rejected?
[21:27:01] <jonas’> AFAICT, yes
[21:27:04] <jonas’> you have to tell us that :)
[21:27:26] <jonas’> anyways, heading to bed
[21:29:05] <Ge0rG> I need to read the diff
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