Wednesday, December 19, 2018
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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[13:36:41] <marc> Off-topic but will interest some of you: JMAP is a modern standard for email clients to connect to mail stores. It therefore primarily replaces IMAP + SMTP submission. It does not replace MTA-to-MTA SMTP transmission.
[13:36:58] <marc> https://jmap.io
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[13:37:15] <Zash> Nyeh!
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[13:38:43] <marc> The proposed standard is in "Last Call" : https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-jmap-core/
[13:39:08] <jonas’> can we rm -rf it
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[13:40:19] <pep.> Seems like "modern" is synonym for http/json really.
[13:41:41] <MattJ> Oh no, my plans for modernxmpp have been revealed!
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[15:06:24] <Maranda> Is it? That was like that even in 2012
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[15:53:50] <edhelas> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18715965#18716402
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[16:30:04] *jonas’ picks random members of board
[16:30:16] <jonas’> MattJ, Guus, https://trello.com/c/jruUmUzl/321-process-violation-xep-0412 is this the right place for that card? where is your "inbox"?
[16:31:57] <Guus> jonas’: that's it.
[16:32:08] <jonas’> re buttons: I’m thinking +1, but with a threat that I’m blocking LC if this diverges too much into a XEP-0004 clone. any opinions?
[16:34:06] <jonas’> is this a nasty thing to do?
[16:34:16] <jonas’> or even a sensible thing?
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[16:34:39] <MattJ> jonas’, it's a sensible thing to do, no?
[16:34:44] <MattJ> If you're happy with it as-is, approve it
[16:34:50] <MattJ> If you're not happy with it later, don't approve it
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[16:34:54] <jonas’> I’d not say *happy*
[16:35:03] <MattJ> Delighted then :)
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[16:49:42] <Ge0rG> jonas’: maybe it would be good to have the discussion of the protocol first, and the threats later?
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[16:56:22] <Ge0rG> IMHO, it would be great if somebody knowledgeable about XEP-0004 would provide a strawman proto-XEP for Data Form Buttons
[16:57:40] <jonas’> hm
[16:57:53] <Ge0rG> jonas’: there! you are doing it again!
[16:57:59] <Link Mauve> I started that (and IIRC Zash did too), but in my case because I wanted more options than just buttons, and couldn’t reach something I’d enjoy.
[16:58:02] <jonas’> oops I did it agaiiiin *singing*
[16:58:27] <Ge0rG> jonas’: so the ’ is for spears?
[16:58:35] <jonas’> no
[16:59:13] <jonas’> Ge0rG, I see your point on the competing proposals, but we definitely need XEP-0004 extensions before
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[17:00:19] <Zash> Shall I submit the dataforms buttons thing I wrote?
[17:00:26] <Ge0rG> Zash: yes please.
[17:00:42] <Zash> Seems I don't have it on this machine
[17:00:50] <Ge0rG> Zash: actually, you should have submitted it side-by-side with the Simple Buttons, just to scare us into accepting the latter.
[17:01:06] <Zash> Heh
[17:03:34] <Zash> heh
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[17:03:41] <Zash> Anyways: http://cerdale.zash.se/upload/lhqGHZ7NyEuQw5Px/xform-buttons.md
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[17:03:56] <Zash> Don't have the markdown conversion code here either
[17:04:49] <MattJ> *https://
[17:04:57] <Ge0rG> Connecting to cerdale.zash.se (cerdale.zash.se)|2a00:66c0:7:1::cd1e|:80... failed: Connection refused.
Connecting to cerdale.zash.se (cerdale.zash.se)|77.110.10.20|:80... failed: Connection refused.
[17:05:03] <Ge0rG> So sad.
[17:05:13] <Zash> https://cerdale.zash.se/upload/lhqGHZ7NyEuQw5Px/xform-buttons.md
[17:05:51] <Ge0rG> https://op-co.de/tmp/xform-buttons.html there, I rendered it for you
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[17:06:07] <Link Mauve> Hey, now that everything supports HSTS and HSTS preload, I could probably stop listening on port 80.
[17:06:25] <Link Mauve> Zash, you should add HSTS preload to zash.se.
[17:06:35] *Ge0rG MitMs Link Mauve
[17:07:23] <Ge0rG> Zash: it's not scary enough.
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[17:07:58] <Link Mauve> Ge0rG, why would it be scary?
[17:08:10] <Ge0rG> Link Mauve: XEP-0004 is scary..
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[17:08:47] <Link Mauve> It’s not.
[17:08:54] <jonas’> it is
[17:08:56] <Ge0rG> I mean, it's something that can be immediately discovered as scary, as opposed to MUC, which you need a decade to appreciate all the pitfalls of.
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[17:09:10] <jonas’> it is a weird mix of interactive forms, m2m protocol and overly generic search result reporting
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[17:09:24] <Link Mauve> It’s a bit under-specified, but it’s far from scary, even after ten years of working with it.
[17:09:32] <jonas’> all while it is nearly unextensible in a way which doesn’t break existing implementations
[17:09:36] <Link Mauve> jonas’, “search” result?
[17:09:40] <jonas’> that reporting stuff
[17:09:48] <jonas’> which re-uses some parts of the data form wire format in awkward ways
[17:09:55] <Ge0rG> I tend to -0 Buttons because of:
- no i18n for the response, leading to surprising results for the user (you press "Ja" and it emits "yes")
- the obvious overlap with ad-hoc data command forms
[17:10:17] <jonas’> Ge0rG, Ad-hoc data forms as in XEP-0050?
[17:10:28] <Link Mauve> Zash, did you also have a version doing ad-hoc, btw?
[17:10:33] <Zash> Link Mauve: no
[17:10:34] <Link Mauve> jonas’, yeah.
[17:11:12] <ralphm> We were looking at something that fills roughly the same role as Facebook Message Templates: https://developers.facebook.com/docs/messenger-platform/send-messages/templates/
[17:11:42] <ralphm> Where besides buttons, you also have other UI elements that you can describe semantically, like image carousels.
[17:12:08] <ralphm> XEP-0004 isn't _really_ the most ideal for this kind of use case.
[17:12:34] <Ge0rG> Buttons doen't have any of those except for buttons, and those are half-i18ned
[17:12:42] <ralphm> We haven't gone as far as defining an XML format for it yet, though.
[17:13:02] <MattJ> ralphm, I'm currently working on similar (also mapping Facebook to XMPP), buttons will be a part of that
[17:13:03] <ralphm> Ge0rG: sure, just giving some context
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[17:13:45] <ralphm> MattJ: interesting!
[17:13:46] <Ge0rG> ralphm: I like the comparison to the facebook thing, BTW. I'm sure they invested heeavily into MVPing it
[17:14:11] <Ge0rG> I'd love to see buttons and polls actually.
[17:14:16] <ralphm> Problem with XEP-0004 is that all interactions are around, well, submitting a form.
[17:14:46] <ralphm> That's not the same as what Facebook-like templates do. There, you define an action for a specific button, taking some context into consideration.
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[17:14:57] <ralphm> But yeah, polls is another such thing.
[17:15:46] <jonas’> ralphm, though it’s possible to map the selection of a button from a set of buttons to list-single
[17:16:30] <Zash> list-single-actually-a-button
[17:17:15] <ralphm> jonas’: the problem is generally that you want a set of (hidden) fields to send along with such an action. So it might be that one button is like submitting a form, but the 'template' itself isn't one.
[17:17:42] <jonas’> ralphm, you can have multiple forms
[17:17:46] <jonas’> in a single message
[17:18:01] <jonas’> (playing devil’s advocate here, I’m not convinced that XEP-0004 as-is is the right thing either)
[17:18:23] <ralphm> jonas’: yes, sure, forms could be part of the presentation, but then you need some container format that is basically your (semantic) presentation of the whole thing.
[17:18:35] <jonas’> probably
[17:19:32] <ralphm> I'm not convinced that the generic nature of XEP-0004 brings something to the table for this use case, but maybe it does.
[17:20:01] <Link Mauve> All of this really sounds like 0050.
[17:20:09] <Link Mauve> With extended 0004.
[17:20:16] <jonas’> except that '50 can’t have message context
[17:20:20] <jonas’> (again, as-is)
[17:20:26] <ralphm> And maybe media sharing and maybe other things.
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[17:21:24] <Ge0rG> ralphm: don't those things end up being the same if the action is defined by the original sender of the form?
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[17:22:49] <ralphm> Ge0rG: well, maybe. The idea of XEP-0004 is that you can generically display any such form, without the client necessarily knowing about the business logic or meaning of fields.
[17:23:59] <Ge0rG> ralphm: so if we had 0004 with additional buttons and label i18n, we would have a superset of Buttons, Polls etc?
[17:24:18] <Ge0rG> Maybe also with a specified way to convey this in regular messages?
[17:24:19] <ralphm> I think that it is quite possible to do something similar to Facebook templates for XMPP, but not sure that using XEP-0004 of the basis of that format is the right approach. Clicking a button might trigger submitting a XEP-0004 form, similar to XEP-0050, sure.
[17:24:51] <pep.> I agree that it does sound like 0050. Maybe there can be some work done to have it work with messages?
[17:25:14] <jonas’> (recently I’ve been thinking that we should replace messages with IQs :-X)
[17:25:34] <Ge0rG> jonas’: that idea was brought up before
[17:25:52] <pep.> jonas’: what is the motivation?
[17:26:10] <jonas’> pep., helps us get rid of all the reciepts and delivery uncertainty
[17:26:10] <ralphm> I.e. you'd probably like at least buttons, lists (with media), and maybe a caroussel of the former.
[17:27:14] <ralphm> anyway, there are two things here: the presentational format (semantic, not dictating formatting), and processing actions from them.
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[17:28:47] <pep.> jonas’: right I was also thinking about that when you mentioned IQs.
[17:29:32] <pep.> You only get one level of acks though with this. People will still want "read" markers
[17:30:18] <ralphm> for more context, this is Facebook's view on buttons (that can be used in templates): https://developers.facebook.com/docs/messenger-platform/send-messages/buttons
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[17:38:13] <Ge0rG> pep.: yes, you IQ-send messages to your server and it does reliable delivery™
[17:38:30] <jonas’> like with SMTP
[17:38:45] <jonas’> on each step there is a defined handover; it’s not fire & forget
[17:39:08] <jonas’> you have at-least-once semantics with SMTP, provided that required entities can be contacted within a timeout
[17:39:28] <jonas’> (and don’t lie about taking responsibility for a message)
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[17:40:20] <pep.> I'm all for reliable delivery™!
[17:40:23] <pep.> XMPP3 when?
[17:42:22] <Zash> XMPP 2000
[17:42:42] <Ge0rG> XMPP 3000 Plus
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