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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[14:18:19] <Ge0rG> According to my calendar, Board meeting is imminent.
[14:19:16] <Ge0rG> ralphm: that mail I sent to you and to info@xmpp.org re use of the trademark for JabberSPAM, are there any news on this?
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[14:30:49] <nyco> hi all
[14:31:04] <Guus> Ge0rG Is this related to the SJ-client (previously: SafetyJabber) that was discussed a couple of days ago?
[14:31:13] <Guus> (just curious, I don't have any updates for you)
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[14:31:18] <MattJ> Unrelated
[14:31:26] <MattJ> And hi :)
[14:31:31] <Guus> o/
[14:31:59] <Guus> ralphm, Seve you guys here?
[14:32:41] <Guus> Given the time of year, we'd best progress without them I think.
[14:33:05] *Guus swings ralphm's might hamm^?^?^?^?gavel
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[14:33:46] <MattJ> Wfm. Note that I'm joined by phone, can't access trello
[14:33:52] <Guus> Roll call: I've seen MattJ and nyco
[14:33:59] <nyco> yep
[14:34:11] <MattJ> Or probably can, if it is public
[14:34:14] <Guus> Agenda: given our low turnout and the season, I'd not mind keeping this one short.
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[14:34:21] <MattJ> +1
[14:34:32] <Guus> I think it's public, Mattj: https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings
[14:34:36] <nyco> agree
[14:34:49] <Guus> Does anyone want to add something to the agenda?
[14:35:03] <nyco> nope
[14:35:05] <MattJ> Not I
[14:35:06] <Guus> and, while we wait for that feedback: would someone be so kind as to step forward and do our minutes?
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[14:35:33] <nyco> sure
[14:36:02] <Guus> Preferably not a board member, but beggars can't be choosers...
[14:36:12] <Guus> thanks nyco
[14:36:22] *Ge0rG isn't sure what the current process for jabber trademark is
[14:36:50] <Ge0rG> But last time it *also* required a board vote.
[14:36:55] <Guus> Ge0rG let me circle back to that during AOB
[14:37:08] <Guus> which I expect will be in a few seconds from now...
[14:37:16] <Guus> 1. Meeting with Peter
[14:37:48] <Guus> didn't happen - we've exchanged some dates, but communication broke down during the holidays.
[14:38:24] <MattJ> NP, as long as there is progress
[14:38:37] <Guus> Which I think also covers the "financials" & "search for ED" agenda items, unless someone wants to add anything.
[14:38:57] <Guus> MattJ - I'm confident we'll get there, eventually. 🙂
[14:39:12] <Guus> 2. Summit & Fosdem
[14:39:29] <Guus> A schedule was released for talks in the DevRoom
[14:39:51] <Guus> not a Board thingy per-se, but it's interesting to see a number of XMPP-related talks on there.
[14:40:10] <Guus> I don't have anything else to report besides that. Anyone?
[14:40:24] <nyco> hotel? venue for summit?
[14:40:39] <nyco> just for info
[14:40:46] <Guus> venue will be Cisco, hotel undetermined.
[14:41:32] <Guus> 3. GSoC
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[14:42:04] <Guus> We previously agreed to wait until mid-January to see if someone steps forward to act as an org admin.
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[14:42:13] <Guus> I've not heard from anyone so far.
[14:42:47] <Guus> We might want to renew the call for one, but other than that, I don't think there's much to do there.
[14:42:54] <nyco> we should re-issue a call for orgadmin?
[14:43:08] <Guus> I'll follow up on the email I sent earlier.
[14:43:20] <Guus> woudl that work for youj?
[14:43:22] <nyco> maybe it has to be done on a regular basis, like weekly?
[14:43:30] <nyco> yep
[14:43:36] <Guus> I don't think spamming the members would help.
[14:43:42] <nyco> oh
[14:43:42] <Guus> and probably only annoy people
[14:43:47] <nyco> I see
[14:44:34] <Guus> k?
[14:44:51] <MattJ> Wfm
[14:45:04] <Guus> 4. AOB.
[14:45:14] <Guus> Ge0rG, you had something.
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[14:47:15] <Guus> I've not worked on/with Jabber trademark issues myself. From a quick google, this seems like an appropriate place to start: https://xmpp.org/about/xsf/jabber-trademark/
[14:47:37] <Guus> knowing you, you've already found that, so it must have issues for you to bring this topic up.
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[14:50:18] <Guus> A bare-bone process is described here: https://xmpp.org/about/xsf/jabber-trademark/license-decision-process.html
[14:50:48] <Guus> Ge0rG, can you specify your question/remark?
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[14:51:23] <Guus> While we wait for Ge0rG to alt-tab back, any other AOBs?
[14:52:13] <nyco> not from me
[14:52:44] <Guus> to use this as somewhat of a soapbox: To work around complexity of parts of the infrastructure being maintained by individuals, I've created a github organization that holds all code for the IM-observatory.
[14:52:59] <Guus> I'd like to invite anyone interested in contributing to join us at https://github.com/xmpp-observatory
[14:53:14] <Guus> note that this is not a XSF activity
[14:53:46] <Guus> (I'm not sure why, but as some people insist it's not, it's not).
[14:54:25] <Guus> Ge0rG - going once, going twice...
[14:54:46] <Guus> 5. Date of next
[14:55:01] <Guus> although I expect most will still be in holidays-mode, let's aim for +1w again
[14:55:21] <nyco> probabilities are low for me +1W
[14:55:43] <Guus> ok, thanks for the heads up nyco
[14:55:53] <Ge0rG> Guus: sorry, I was asking for a trademark permit to use on the JabberSPAM project
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[14:56:12] <Guus> Ge0rG that being your project?
[14:56:32] <Ge0rG> https://github.com/JabberSPAM
[14:56:34] <Ge0rG> Guus: yes
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[14:56:59] <Guus> And I think you mentioned you did already contact Peter and info@, as instructed on the website?
[14:57:10] <Ge0rG> Guus: Ralph and info
[14:58:04] <Guus> I'm not sure how I can speed things up, apart from touching on this when ralphm and me speak to Peter.
[14:58:17] <Guus> I'll make a note on our board's trello board.
[14:58:24] <Guus> to make sure we follow up
[14:58:56] <Ge0rG> Guus: let the board vote it, I suppose, under the condition that Peter approves
[15:00:04] <Guus> Ge0rG seems sensible
[15:00:13] <Guus> I've added it to Trello
[15:00:45] <Guus> Board members, lets review the request, and prepare for a vote next week, if it comes to a vote.
[15:01:12] <Guus> in the mean time, I'm hoping that either Ralph or Peter will confirm this course of action, or suggest an alternative.
[15:01:52] <Ge0rG> Last time I did a PR against xmpp.org, but that lead to confusion among Board, and the official process never was changed.
[15:02:11] <Ge0rG> I'm not even sure anybody is receiving mail for info@
[15:02:35] <Guus> MattJ, as iteam, could you check if that's the case?
[15:03:33] <Guus> I fear we're loosing people.
[15:03:54] <Guus> I'm sorry to prolong this, Ge0rG - i'm hoping for more news next week.
[15:04:18] *Guus bangs gavel
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[15:04:36] <Guus> see you all next week.
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[15:04:51] <MattJ> Sorry, lost connection for a bit
[15:05:05] <nyco> see you, thx all
[15:05:20] <MattJ> I don't have access to the mail server but I can ping the iteam list
[15:05:41] <MattJ> I'll also chase (again) what we can do about Seve's mail situation
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[15:18:12] <Seve> Hey guys, sorry, I had no Internet connection all of a sudden, I'm in a village and could not do much, I apologise
[15:18:54] <Seve> Was unexpected, could not imagine it happening
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[15:51:41] <Guus> No worries Seve - I would have been amazed if we had a full board anyways, with the holidays and all.
[15:51:47] <Guus> Thanks MattJ
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[17:51:49] <Neustradamus> It is possible to reopen tickets because it is not resolved...
https://github.com/xmpp-observatory/xmppoke-frontend/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aclosed
https://github.com/xmpp-observatory/xmppoke/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aclosed
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[20:11:05] <Guus> Neustradamus Yes, I'm closing your tickets. Please create pull requests with your desired changes instead.
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[20:17:58] <Guus> I shall continue this policy in an attempt to get you to contribute to the code directly, instead of creating many issues. You are persistent, and have many suggestions. Supplying pull requests will save a lot of time for both of us.
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[22:38:56] <35c3.de.half-shot> Hello!
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[22:43:21] <Matthew> waves from matrix (we just turned on the first cut of a proper matrix<->xmpp bridge, thanks to 35c3.de.half-shot's ministrations)
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[22:44:11] <Matthew> using xmpp.js and XEP-0114 fwiw.
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[22:46:35] <oli> 😎
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[22:49:03] <Matthew> feels a bit like First Contact. (not sure if that makes us the vulcans or zefram cochrane; probably zefram all things considered)
[22:49:23] <oli> Matthew: is there a room we can join
[22:49:29] <oli> ?
[22:50:49] <Zash> What's supported?
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[22:51:20] <Matthew> we're just setting up a room/MUC for it
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[22:51:54] <Matthew> and it's very early days; basic MUC & DMs (i think DMs are only initiatable XMPP->Matrix right now)
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[22:52:04] <Matthew> need to hook up presence, profiles, membership list syncing for MUCs etc
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[22:52:49] <Matthew> oh, and it's only matrix->XMPP joinable MUCs or explicitly provisioned ones, rather than freeform XMPP-joining-anywhere-in-Matrix as yet
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[22:52:58] <Matthew> although uhoreg has a prosody module which could evolve into the latter.
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[22:53:11] <Matthew> sets up a room rather than spamming here
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[22:54:39] <MatthewX> (gah, no /me)
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[23:02:41] <Matthew> right, if anyone's interested, xmpp:matrix-appservice-purple@conf.xmpp.matrix.org is now bridged through to the dev room for the bridge in question
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[23:02:47] <Matthew> which maps to #matrix-appservice-purple:matrix.org on the Matrix side
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[23:05:46] <oli> what will be my name on the matrix side? nick, full JID or something else?
[23:06:41] <MatthewX> nick
[23:06:59] <MatthewX> with a truly ugly mxid which has an escaped jid within it.
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[23:07:34] <Matthew> to be precise... @_xmpp_xmpp-js_xsf=40muc.xmpp.org=2foli:matrix.org
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[23:07:58] <Matthew> (all these mappings are placeholder though whilst we sort it out)
[23:09:44] <Zash> Temporary placeholders? Typical thing to be around until the end of time :P
[23:09:52] <MatthewX> hah, indeed
[23:10:30] <MatthewX> but i'd expect the MUC-style JID to get replaced with the real JID in future (if it's available)
[23:10:45] <MatthewX> and we'll definitely replace the @_xmpp_xmpp-js_ with just @_xmpp_
[23:10:50] <MatthewX> given we really don't need to know what stack it's using
[23:11:06] <MatthewX> that said, matrix IDs aren't really meant to be publicly visible, so it's not the end of the world that it's fugly.
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