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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[07:57:35] <Ge0rG> Do you really need to encode the protocol in the user part, or would it suffice to have a domain per protocol (making it something like @jid:xmpp.matrix.org)
[07:58:40] <fippo> note that : is not valid in the domain part... i think i complained in 2004.
[08:02:25] <Ge0rG> fippo: this is about the matrix side of things. Not that I knew anything about that...
[08:05:45] <fippo> if matrix has not learned the lesson to include a protocol prefix then...
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[08:06:20] <Zash> fippo: My advice to you is to close your eyes and back away
[08:06:55] <oli> which lesson
[08:07:12] <oli> ?
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[08:22:14] <Zash> That URLs/URIs are good
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[08:24:38] <Zash> And namespaces in general
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[09:55:06] <jonas’> fippo, are you takling about XMPP? : is valid in the JID domain part
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[10:00:40] <fippo> doh. i meant the node part -- which means you can't have scheme:user@host
[10:01:32] <jonas’> that’s a good thing if you want to use it for something else though
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[11:09:10] <Matthew> > <@_xmpp_xmpp-js_xsf=40muc.xmpp.org=2fGe0rG:matrix.org> Do you really need to encode the protocol in the user part, or would it suffice to have a domain per protocol (making it something like @jid:xmpp.matrix.org)

yeah, @jid:xmpp.matrix.org would work better (but mean we’d have to run a seperate vhost per bridge, but that’s not a bad thing)
[11:09:51] <mathieui> that looks great
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[12:40:11] <Ge0rG> Also that quoting format... 😱
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[13:14:40] <35c3.de.half-shot> Oh yes, the fallback reply format on Matrix isn't great. The bridge is quite young, and doesn't really do formatting just yet.
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[13:51:52] <Ge0rG> 35c3.de.half-shot: are you aware of the xmpp assembly? I'm sure you can find some folks glad to help out. I've even heard that iNPUTmice from conversations committed to work on a bridge to matrix (under the condition that the protocol stabilizes), so it might be good to bundle efforts
[13:52:22] <pep.> I went to help a bit already with the setup
[13:52:55] <pep.> I'll go say hi again today probably
[13:53:32] <Ge0rG> pep.: awesome!
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[13:54:22] <35c3.de.half-shot> Yep :) can have a chat.
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[13:54:22] <35c3.de.half-shot> And actually pep. got the bridge going in the first place :D
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[13:54:22] <35c3.de.half-shot> (well, pointed us in the right direction for prosody)
[13:55:13] <Ge0rG> I'd love to have a first class bridge running, with support for all the nice xmpp features.
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[13:56:13] <Ge0rG> Most modern features should be covered already, but we probably need Carbons from the component domain for the parallel use of native clients
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[13:56:25] <35c3.de.half-shot> So yes, Matthew is probably your guy to talk to on protocol stabilization although we are commited to getting a 1.0 out the door within the next couple of months iirc.
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[13:56:28] <35c3.de.half-shot> And our full intention is to make a 100% feature compatible bridge where possible.
[13:56:32] <Ge0rG> Most modern features should be covered by XEPs already, but we probably need Carbons from the component domain for the parallel use of native clients
[13:56:34] <pep.> Tbh I am not really fond of xmpp.js and manual xml writing, but I we'll see where that leads the bridge
[13:57:12] <pep.> -I
[13:57:29] <Ge0rG> pep.: I think the important thing is to have somebody with a long term commitment to maintain it
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[13:57:43] <35c3.de.half-shot> Also, yes I'd like to have a chat about carbons and resources because it's a bit alien from my pov.
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[13:59:56] <Ge0rG> 35c3.de.half-shot: I'm not there, and my time is unfortunately very limited, but feel free to ask here
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[14:01:36] <Ge0rG> 35c3.de.half-shot: think of a resource as a semi stable client Identifier. They are mostly opaque, but sometimes contain a client name. Ideally, each client installation should have a unique one that's persistent, but some implementations have other ideas
[14:02:44] <Ge0rG> 35c3.de.half-shot: for message routing, you should always send to the bare JID (no resource), and have the server figure out everything
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[14:02:45] <35c3.de.half-shot> Ah okay, like "half-shot@half-shot.uk/MyPhone". I know that gajim tends to make one like "gajim.sdjgjw" unless you force it :/
[14:03:03] <Ge0rG> (except for MUCs, there everything is different)
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[14:03:42] <Ge0rG> 35c3.de.half-shot: exactly. The problem with "MyPhone" is when you get a second phone and both try to use the same
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[14:05:21] <35c3.de.half-shot> I see :)
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[14:06:18] <35c3.de.half-shot> This sounds analogous to matrix device ids. Interesting.
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[14:24:55] <Ge0rG> I have a feeling that matrix ends up reinventing most of the things xmpp handled a decade ago 😉
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[14:55:05] <vanitasvitae> Great to see a colaboration!
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[15:40:23] <Guus> > Great to see a colaboration!
Exactly!
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[15:44:39] <Ge0rG> the bridged users are gone.
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