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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[09:44:09] <Wiktor> By the way, maybe it would be a good idea to add CORS header to XEP-0156: Discovering Alternative XMPP Connection Methods 3. HTTP Lookup Method. `/.well-known/host-meta` (&.json) cannot be discovered by Web Clients without it (this is similar to CORS for HTTP Upload).
[09:45:28] <Ge0rG> Wiktor: could you post that to the standards ML please?
[09:46:10] <Ge0rG> Wiktor: this needs to be made a PR against the XEP text, then approved by Council
[09:46:45] <Wiktor> yep, no problem
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[15:12:52] <steven> I've never done any work on XEPs or so. How would one go about extending the OMEMO spec to include OpenPGP signatures for OMEMO keys in the PEP nodes?
[15:13:14] <MattJ> That sounds like something that ought to be a new XEP
[15:13:45] <steven> I also don't know to what level of detail interactions should be detailed or so.
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[15:14:19] <MattJ> The minimum you need to cover is whatever the protocol looks like. The data structures, etc.
[15:14:23] <steven> Because in theory the only thing needed would be a format that allows attaching the signatures to the OMEMO node and the rest could be left up to the clients to interpret or handle.
[15:14:31] <MattJ> Sure
[15:14:32] <jonas’> steven: in general, a developer must be able to create an interoperable implementation by reading the XEP and any documents it references
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[16:01:56] <Ge0rG> Dear HN sock puppets, please upvote the "XMPP Newsletter: Today Is Jabber's 20th Anniversary" from https://news.ycombinator.com/newest
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[16:04:32] <uhoreg> Ooh. Happy Anniversary! :)
[16:05:18] <Ge0rG> Original post from Jan 4th 1999: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18824957
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[16:25:39] <edhelas> upvoted :)
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[16:35:40] <Ge0rG> edhelas: we are spamming HN today, "Happy Birthday, XMPP 20th Anniversary of Jabber" on https://news.ycombinator.com/newest
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[17:01:16] <Ge0rG> edhelas: is movim.eu melting down under the load of HN frontpage news already? 😁
[17:01:48] <edhelas> I hope not :D
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[17:03:17] <edhelas> there's a spike on nginx requests yes, but CPU/IO/mem are fine
[17:03:54] <edhelas> we'll have some nice statistics after 1AM here https://fr.movim.eu/report.html :)
[17:03:56] <steven> edhelas, does movim expost activitypub?
[17:03:57] <steven> expose*
[17:05:41] <steven> edhelas, those GoAccess reports look sexy 😮
[17:07:05] <edhelas> yes :)
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[17:11:22] <steven> > edhelas, does movim expost activitypub?
edhelas: ^
[17:12:15] <edhelas> is ActivityPub communicating with XMPP ? 🤔
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[17:13:44] <edhelas> from the Movim wiki
> When you use Movim, it acts as an intermediary between the user's browser and an XMPP server. […] On the XMPP side Movim connects using pure TCP connections (like any XMPP client).
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[17:26:55] <steven> Actually, it amazes me a lot that XMPP is "only" as old as the Euro. I remember the launch of the euro quite vividly, even though I was only 7. But I might remember 2001 for that event, I think that's when we switched to it in Belgium.
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[17:27:09] <steven> Still, the euro seems "recent" while you hear people say XMPP is "old".
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[17:33:38] <oli> it was 2002
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[17:39:24] <steven> > The euro was introduced to world financial markets as an accounting currency on 1 January 1999, replacing the former European Currency Unit (ECU) at a ratio of 1:1 (US$1.1743). Physical euro coins and banknotes entered into circulation on 1 January 2002, making it the day-to-day operating currency of its original members, and by March 2002 it had completely replaced the former currencies.
[17:39:47] <steven> hmm, right, so 2002. still "only" 3 years younger then, though
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[17:40:38] <steven> edhelas, hmm, yeah you're right, it's probably the XMPP server that should expose activitypub for pubsub nodes with a plugin instead of movim.
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[17:54:17] <oli> steven: 1999 is correct. euro is 3 days older
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[18:40:27] <j.r> oli: just in germany the euro came in 2002
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[18:42:49] <oli> j.r: i used it 1999 in germany already.
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[18:46:43] <j.r> Oh OK Then I was wrong
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[19:23:03] <Ge0rG> Jeremie is still alive and kicking! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18826383
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[19:25:13] <peter> Sure he is, I have coffee with him every month or so. :-)
[19:25:32] <peter> He and I were working together every day at Filament, but then I left for Mozilla.
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[19:35:10] <Ge0rG> Hey peter!
[19:35:34] <Ge0rG> peter: you seem to be MIA rather often as well, but maybe that's just my impression
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[20:11:53] <peter> Ge0rG: Yeah, I've been super-busy at work and will be even busier in 2019.
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[20:12:29] <Ge0rG> peter: I know that feeling
[20:13:38] <peter> I don't have an IM client on my work computer, either, so I need to consciously start it up on one of my personal machines, which I don't look at very often because I'm on videochats most of the day. :-/
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[21:18:25] <peter> Ge0rG: we used to have some of the old CVS/SVN logs on one of the machines but we might have lost those - I will poke around a bit and ask Jer the next time I see him.
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[21:34:17] <Ge0rG> peter: I'm just curious for archeological reasons
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[21:34:59] <peter> Yeah, agreed!
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