XSF Discussion - 2019-03-05


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  153. jonas’ zinid, oh damn, I totally forgot about those
  154. jonas’ I’ll *try* to get around to do it today, the only blocker is really me running the scripts
  155. zinid jonas’, no problem, thanks!
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  319. pep. https://rosenzweig.io/blog/the-federation-fallacy.html I'm not sure I agree with all of it, (neither how she depicts XMPP as "arcane", even if there is some truth in it), but that's a interesting (long) piece on federation
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  322. MattJ "Every toddler and grandmother is required to become their own system administrator." - may I stop reading now?
  323. Zash MattJ: You got some teaching to do :)
  324. pep. MattJ: no please read further
  325. MattJ Yes, example from last night: "No! The slot at the top of the oven door is *not* a postbox for letters."
  326. Seve :D
  327. jonas’ MattJ, not even for letters you don’t want to have? ;-)
  328. jonas’ reminds me of the trailer of that game where one side plays the toddler and the other side a caregiver and the goal is for the toddler to kill itself and for the caregiver to prevent that from happening. setting is in an appartment.
  329. MattJ A game? People play that for... fun? :)
  330. jonas’ I think so.
  331. jonas’ or maybe for training
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  333. Guus what the?
  334. Zash How nice and positive
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  348. contrapunctus pep.: > https://rosenzweig.io/blog/the-federation-fallacy.html I'm not sure I agree with all of it, (neither how she depicts XMPP as "arcane", even if there is some truth in it), but that's a interesting (long) piece on federation Interesting indeed.
  349. contrapunctus I've seen plenty of people self-host XMPP, though...more than email or Matrix, I think?
  350. moparisthebest Well self hosting email is a nightmare that requires running like, 5 different daemons at minimum
  351. moparisthebest Vs starting an xmpp server
  352. Zash moparisthebest: what 3 am I missing?
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  354. contrapunctus lol
  355. moparisthebest Zash: dkim signing/verifying, SPF checking, virus/spam checking?
  356. Zash I'm not sure my SPF checking is its own daemon and I don't have separate things for the rest.
  357. Zash ROI on DKIM is meh for small servers afaik
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  361. moparisthebest Do you not do the rest or are they built in?
  362. Zash What spam filtering I have is mostly what postfix can do. Far from perfect but good enough for me.
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  365. Zash But back on topic, yeah, XMPP servers consists of fewer moving parts these days, simplifying setup.
  366. Zash moparisthebest: Did you ever run the original jabberd? Separate daemons for c2s, s2s, ... other parts that I don't remember. :)
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  371. moparisthebest Ha no, sounds... Interesting
  372. Zash Altho all those came in the same package, so I'm not sure how much it counts
  373. Zash I don't think I managed to get it running anyways
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  376. Kev I don't think the number of processes is something anyone really cares about. The 'moving parts' is about configuration, I think. At least for me.
  377. Zash Sure
  378. Kev e.g. M-Link uses more than one process, but you wouldn't realise unless you looked.
  379. Zash Ubuntu used to have a meta-package that installed a fully working email setup
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  382. Zash Didn't require more configuration than DNS.
  383. zinid Zash, yeah, but if something goes wrong you're screwed
  384. zinid lurking problems in 10 daemons with 10 configs is not fun at all
  385. moparisthebest Kev, yea I agree I mainly meant the setting up of 5 different configuration files in different formats and hooking it all together etc, not to mention the billion DNS records required
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  456. Ge0rG is it just me or is there no way to distinguish a MUC service from a single MUC just from the disco#info response?
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  460. jonas’ possible
  461. Ge0rG there is a bunch of optional muc_ features, but both are supposed to advertise http://jabber.org/protocol/muc
  462. Ge0rG and have the same identity?!
  463. Ge0rG what am I supposed to do? `if (jid.contains("@"))`?
  464. jonas’ fwiw, on prosody, the component name itself *is* a MUC
  465. Ge0rG only on <0.11
  466. jonas’ ah pity
  467. jonas’ I liked htat
  468. Ge0rG except for fugly constructions like chat@dino.im
  469. Zash Huh
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  472. Zash Ge0rG: Pretty sure it still works?
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