XSF Discussion - 2019-03-05

zinid, oh damn, I totally forgot about those

I’ll *try* to get around to do it today, the only blocker is really me running the scripts

jonas’, no problem, thanks!

https://rosenzweig.io/blog/the-federation-fallacy.html I'm not sure I agree with all of it, (neither how she depicts XMPP as "arcane", even if there is some truth in it), but that's a interesting (long) piece on federation

"Every toddler and grandmother is required to become their own system administrator." - may I stop reading now?

MattJ: You got some teaching to do :)

MattJ: no please read further

Yes, example from last night: "No! The slot at the top of the oven door is *not* a postbox for letters."

:D

MattJ, not even for letters you don’t want to have? ;-)

reminds me of the trailer of that game where one side plays the toddler and the other side a caregiver and the goal is for the toddler to kill itself and for the caregiver to prevent that from happening. setting is in an appartment.

A game? People play that for... fun? :)

I think so.

or maybe for training

what the?

How nice and positive

pep.: > https://rosenzweig.io/blog/the-federation-fallacy.html I'm not sure I agree with all of it, (neither how she depicts XMPP as "arcane", even if there is some truth in it), but that's a interesting (long) piece on federation Interesting indeed.

I've seen plenty of people self-host XMPP, though...more than email or Matrix, I think?

Well self hosting email is a nightmare that requires running like, 5 different daemons at minimum

Vs starting an xmpp server

moparisthebest: what 3 am I missing?

lol

Zash: dkim signing/verifying, SPF checking, virus/spam checking?

I'm not sure my SPF checking is its own daemon and I don't have separate things for the rest.

ROI on DKIM is meh for small servers afaik

Do you not do the rest or are they built in?

What spam filtering I have is mostly what postfix can do. Far from perfect but good enough for me.

But back on topic, yeah, XMPP servers consists of fewer moving parts these days, simplifying setup.

moparisthebest: Did you ever run the original jabberd? Separate daemons for c2s, s2s, ... other parts that I don't remember. :)

Ha no, sounds... Interesting

Altho all those came in the same package, so I'm not sure how much it counts

I don't think I managed to get it running anyways

I don't think the number of processes is something anyone really cares about. The 'moving parts' is about configuration, I think. At least for me.

Sure

e.g. M-Link uses more than one process, but you wouldn't realise unless you looked.

Ubuntu used to have a meta-package that installed a fully working email setup

Didn't require more configuration than DNS.

Zash, yeah, but if something goes wrong you're screwed

lurking problems in 10 daemons with 10 configs is not fun at all

Kev, yea I agree I mainly meant the setting up of 5 different configuration files in different formats and hooking it all together etc, not to mention the billion DNS records required

is it just me or is there no way to distinguish a MUC service from a single MUC just from the disco#info response?

possible

there is a bunch of optional muc_ features, but both are supposed to advertise http://jabber.org/protocol/muc

and have the same identity?!

what am I supposed to do? `if (jid.contains("@"))`?

fwiw, on prosody, the component name itself *is* a MUC

only on <0.11

ah pity

I liked htat

except for fugly constructions like chat@dino.im

Huh

Ge0rG: Pretty sure it still works?

Zash: oh. hm.