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  325. Ge0rG moparisthebest: we just discovered a valid use case for DoX over in jdev! If you are using a proxy (`connect` or socks), you need a way to resolve SRV without leaking the domain to your local network. So you need to tunnel DNS over the proxy
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  361. ralphm 🤣
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  487. flow Ge0rG, and the DoX server endpoint would be?
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  489. ralphm Well, I imagine that, like with browsers, this is configurable and/or discoverable.
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  509. moparisthebest Ha awesome
  510. moparisthebest I think browsers just hardcode the endpoint...
  511. moparisthebest Firefox let's you change it in about:config
  512. moparisthebest Android let's you change it deep into settings
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  551. Wiktor And in XMPP one can auto discover endpoint by querying server disco info, like http upload. :)
  552. jonas’ Wiktor, ... and how do you connect to something you can query?
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  560. moparisthebest Wiktor: you still need a resolver jid/pass + ip + port hardcoded
  561. moparisthebest Well, the "querier" account, then you can auto discover the resolver
  562. moparisthebest With DNS you'll always need something hardcoded I think
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  564. moparisthebest Assuming you don't want to leak anything to local DHCP provided DNS server
  565. Ge0rG moparisthebest: you should set it up to use anonymous login.
  566. Wiktor DoX has the same bootstrapping problem as Do-Anything. I'm not thinking on using it for first query, but for all subsequent queries in the system, effectively upgrading privacy.
  567. moparisthebest Yep I need to set up an account with anonymous login firewalled to only contact the resolver
  568. moparisthebest Anyone else can do it too though :)
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  571. Ge0rG moparisthebest: also the correct xmpp URI would be xmpp://user:password@domain/botjid?params
  572. moparisthebest It supports params like that?
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  577. Ge0rG There is a XEP and an RFC for XMPP URI schemes.
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  583. moparisthebest that's unfortunately tricky and obnoxious
  584. moparisthebest in my program I need a clear seperation between "configuration only for this program" and "params sent to endpoint"
  585. moparisthebest since it supports http:// anything after the ? gets sent to the server, anything after the # does not
  586. moparisthebest so, I just use the same URI parser code for xmpp:// urls, not at all a format that is standard or anyone else can use, but meh
  587. moparisthebest it's compatible with my made up tls:// tcp:// and udp:// urls
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  590. Ge0rG It's incompatible with my brain.
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  614. ralphm moparisthebest: if you are going to use things that kinda look like an xmpp URI, please make it valid. Bad examples are copy/pasted and the end result would be terrible.
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  616. ralphm Also don't invent your own URI schemes.
  617. Ge0rG What ralphm said.
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  622. moparisthebest I don't consider them URI schemes I consider them configuration file formats
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  624. ralphm Then don't let them look like URIs.
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  666. Zash Is there interest in a XEP with more detailed s2s errors to attach to bounced stanzas? `remote-server-not-found` and `remote-server-timeout` doesn't quite cover the range of possible problems.
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  690. ralphm As application-specific conditions?
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  692. Zash Yes
  693. ralphm Sounds like a great idea. Would it be mostly informative for debugging, or do you also expect clients and other entities to handle such detailed conditions differently?
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  698. Zash Yes, informative machine-readable information. Aiding in debugging by providing users with more info to report is one potential benefit.
  699. ralphm nods
  700. flow Zash, +1
  701. flow Although I am not sure if it adds that much additional value compared to adding the detaield error information into <text/>
  702. flow OTOH it can't hurt
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  711. Ge0rG Speaking of which...
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  719. Zash It would be nice if one could hint about whether it's a transient error or something more permanent. Not sure that's possible tho.
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  722. ralphm Huh? You can use the type attribute?
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  724. ralphm https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6120#section-8.3.2
  725. Zash Oh, right
  726. Zash Wait, I mean, how do you know?
  727. ralphm Well, if you don't know, you can't hint.
  728. ralphm But, if you're going to create app-specific conditions you could include meta data. Like how long this condition has already lasted.
  729. Zash Good idea
  730. ralphm Something like suddenly getting an explicit . record for SRV would signal a permanent condition.
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  750. ralphm (although I guess that's <gone/>)
  751. ralphm I'd also mention the usefulness of including the 'by' attribute pointing to the local server, so you can see which entity determined the condition.
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  789. Ge0rG What about adding a delay element?
  790. Ge0rG We have a standard for that
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  798. Link Mauve “15:52:02 Andrew Nenakhov> Do any clients support 0385? I'm not a fan of it, but if it has some spread, I might reconsider”, I only know of Movim, which uses it the same way Conversations uses OOB AIUI.
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