XSF Discussion - 2019-03-25


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  269. Ge0rG https://opensourcedesign.net/jobs/ - looks like paid jobs get priority review.
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  312. Dele Olajide I did some experimenting over the weekend to implement emoji reactions using XEP-0367: Message Attaching with my browser extension XMPP client Pàdé (converse.js on steriods). My use case was for simple positive and negative reactions using the smiley and frown emojis. See https://github.com/igniterealtime/Pade/issues/139 for more details. The only issue I have is what to display in the message body for compatibility with clients that don't yet support the XEP. I currently display the emoji, but if the reaction comes much later out of context, it could be mis-understood. I am curious to know how other XMPP clients plan to handle this.
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  316. Ge0rG Dele Olajide: https://github.com/jabbercat/jabbercat/issues/80
  317. Ge0rG Dele Olajide: also please use 👍 and 👎 for +1 and -1
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  322. Dele Olajide >Ge0rG: Dele Olajide: also please use 👍 and 👎 for +1 and -1 thanks 👍
  323. Andrew Nenakhov Dele Olajide, how do you work with message archives for attaching?
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  328. Dele Olajide I was extending converse.js ability to edit and correct archived messages
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  333. Andrew Nenakhov Like, archived on server as in XEP-0313?
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  345. Dele Olajide Yes, but most importantly, XEP-0359 for unique message Ids
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  382. edhelas MattJ I'm having a look at 0367, to add the "reactions/emojis" feature in Movim
  383. edhelas what is the prefered way to "remove" the reaction
  384. edhelas on Slack you can simply reclick on it, but how could it look like in this case ?
  385. MattJ I guess the same way you would remove any message in a conversation...
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  388. MattJ (no, I don't really have an answer)
  389. edhelas an message correction with a blank body :p ?
  390. MattJ Might work :)
  391. MattJ Also relevant: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/message-retraction.html
  392. edhelas yeah i though of that one as well
  393. Ge0rG message re~tr~action
  394. edhelas badam tsss
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  401. edhelas MattJ security wise you have to be really careful to check not only the ID but if the ID was published in the related configuration
  402. edhelas i can get the message id of a message and publish an attached one in a totally different discussion
  403. edhelas so for simple chat messages, the from of the attach should be part of the to or or from of a related parent
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  413. edhelas https://techcrunch.com/2019/03/25/going-going-gone/
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  416. Ge0rG Finally! The first GDPR compliant messenger!
  417. Zash And then you send a message that somehow does hypnosis and makes your brain forget the conversations ever happened
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  420. edhelas can't wait for the <nuke id='SD24VCzSYQ' xmlns='urn:xmpp:message-nuking:0'/>
  421. MattJ But which id will it match on?
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  423. MattJ To be on the safe side, match any
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  425. jonas’ all the IDs
  426. jonas’ or all the messages?
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  428. edhelas everything
  429. edhelas the admin receive a mail and put the SSD/HDD in the microwave
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  431. edhelas *MUST put
  432. Zash module:hook("nuke", os.execute("wipe /dev/sd*"))
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  434. jonas’ :D
  435. jonas’ good thing my servers have vd*
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  566. Ge0rG With the stalled PR on OSD, I wonder if https://img.shields.io/endpoint.svg?url=https://op-co.de/tmp/cs2019.json is just good enough.
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  568. Zash That looks pretty good
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  570. Ge0rG the logo contrast isn't good enough.
  571. Ge0rG and I'd rather have a two-line tag with "XMPP" on its own line.
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  653. Ge0rG jonas’: I'd love to see https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/773 merged in time for our next Agenda.
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  657. pep. Was there no LC for 412 already? Is there going to be a LC-round2?
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  660. Ge0rG pep.: no, there's going to be a Council Vote.
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  700. jonas’ I have the impression that much of this applies to XMPP, too: https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/platforms/tbm
  701. jonas’ (this is an application for the debian project leader role)
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  717. MattJ I know what you mean. Though it doesn't seem as bad. I feel like we already recognized many issues and are addressing them as best we can
  718. MattJ I also don't think XMPP is "boring" right now. I think it got that way for a few years, but there is a resurgence of interest and community activity
  719. MattJ There are still many difficult problems to solve, and that's personally something I enjoy doing
  720. Kev I think the lack of person power with people being paid to actually concentrate on XSF work is valid, though.
  721. Kev Although obviously horrendously non-trivial to do anything about.
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  724. Kev Do we need a fundamental change in how we do stuff? I don't think so. But we do need, I think, some people doing more work for the XSF.
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  727. Zash Volunteer organization problems?
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  732. Guus Addressable.
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  737. Guus And worthy to be addressed
  738. Zash I'm under the impression that we don't currently have an active ED. (Re that being about a leader role)
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  747. Guus You are right.
  748. Guus Peter stepped down, board decided to not appoint a replacement.
  749. Zash IIRC partly because it wasn't clear what the responsibilites of that role were, or they could be handled by the board, secretary just fine.
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  751. Guus Pretty much
  752. Guus Nothing set in stone though
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  754. Guus Also, appointing an ED isn't the only option we have.
  755. waqas Is it clear what we even want? And what we want it from (e.g., XSF vs community stuff)?
  756. Guus aside: I'd prefer to increase the overall productivity by increasing it a little in many people, instead of finding one person to work pretty much full-time.
  757. Guus waqas: all very debatable. But I suspect that a generic consensus can be found to at least increase productivity.
  758. Zash Also depends on how active a role the XSF itself should have
  759. waqas Guus: Productivity in what activity?
  760. Guus My take: produce and progress standards, promote the XMPP ecosystem.
  761. Guus I'm on mobile, which causes me to be more terse than desirable for this discussion.
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  819. Seve > I'm under the impression that we don't currently have an active ED. (Re that being about a leader role) What would that fix though
  820. Seve > aside: I'd prefer to increase the overall productivity by increasing it a little in many people, instead of finding one person to work pretty much full-time. I completely agree on that, that has many benefits
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