XSF logo XSF Discussion - 2019-05-03


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  24. Arc *cheers* I finally got it to work, Prosody now reports whether a connection is bosh or websocket in the admin telnet
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  68. 靳龙 hello
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  83. flow > dwd> If references is counting codepoints (or even bytes) should we be normalizing the text first? Yes, I think you have too
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  110. dwd flow, Right - if anything *can* normalize, everything *must* normalize - seems the general rule.
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  116. flow dwd, what's the scope of your "general rule"? It appears to me that you have to normlalize in order to identity codepoints interoperable, but usually, e.g., if you just want to exchange <body/>, you don't have to (and I believe most implementations do not)
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  130. Arc hey Zash, I sent a bundle to the -dev list. Looking for what to work on next now that I'm getting a handle on lua
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  136. dwd flow, Well, if you're reliant on counting codepoints or comparing. Normally we don't care for human text.
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  146. jonas’ flow, I think normalizing will be bad
  147. jonas’ normalizing before sending makes sense, but when receiving, you’ll have to work with exactly the codepoints used in the message
  148. jonas’ otherwise we’d have to specify which unicode version to use with References so that everyone normalizes in the same way
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  153. flow jonas’, I think both send and recipient have to normalize if something xep message markup is used
  154. jonas’ why?
  155. flow nothing gurantees that the way the sender emitted the UTF-8 will be preserved
  156. jonas’ err..... what?
  157. jonas’ you are saying that there is (aside from intentional modification) no guarantee that the sequence of codepoints I put in an XML element in XMPP arrives as exact that sequence at the receiver?
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  161. Kev That's certainly true in some cases, yes.
  162. Kev e.g. where the element has attributes that are JIDs, an entity might very reasonably normalise en route.
  163. jonas’ Kev, and <body/>?
  164. Kev It wouldn't surprise me, at least.
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  167. dwd jonas’, Well, while I don't know of any implementations that do normalize, there's absolutely nothing in the specifications that says implementations MUST NOT normalize.
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  170. jonas’ in that case, normalisation needs indeed to be specified, both on the sending (before calculating the offsets) and the receiving side (before matching the offsets)
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  177. flow jonas’, I thank there is nothing that guarantees that this will *not* happen, so I better be safe than sorry here
  178. flow *think
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  189. MattJ I'm inclined to agree
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  232. jubalh I suppose ignoring of users in MUCs and of jids that write to you 1:1 is done by clients. one doesnt tell the server to "dont deliver messages from X", right?
  233. Ge0rG jubalh: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0191.html for 1:1
  234. jubalh thank you Ge0rG
  235. dwd Thinking about it, anytime that data is served from a database rather than simply switched through, probably has been normalized.
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  240. Ge0rG except when the database is a legacy mysql?
  241. jonas’ dwd, right, archives
  242. dwd jonas’, Exactly.
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  263. Niraj mimi89999
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  269. mimi89999 Yes?
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  277. MattJ We need to create some kind of inline syntax that allows you to apply arbitrary semantics to certain bits of text
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  280. pep. That'd be great, but we need to make sure it's not too verbose
  281. edhelas I need to mark those ideas down
  282. MattJ I was actually thinking of marking them up
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  284. Ge0rG I prefer to mark them right.
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  286. edhelas better use a marker for that
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  292. mimi89999 What are you inventing?
  293. MattJ Some generic markup language
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  295. mimi89999 What will it be used for?
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  297. MattJ The stuff listed here: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0372.html#usecases
  298. MattJ and much more!
  299. pep. I think we need something that looks like a language we all know, but not too close either
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  301. pep. Javascript seems like a language we would all know. I'm sure that would make a good markup language
  302. pdurbin I sure hope someone approves the message I sent last night to https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/juser
  303. pep. Does that need approval?
  304. MattJ juser still exists, wow
  305. pdurbin "Your message to JUser awaits moderator approval"
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  307. mimi89999 `<body>But, soft! what light through yonder window breaks? It is the east, and <reference type='mention' uri='xmpp:juliet@capulet.lit'>Juliet</reference> is the sun.</body>`
  308. mimi89999 Why is this bad?
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  311. pdurbin Does anyone here know a moderator for that list?
  312. Zash mimi89999: body is defined as having only text content
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  316. mimi89999 s***
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  318. mimi89999 How can we be sue that the offset will always be the same?
  319. pep. That's what's being discussed
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  332. pdurbin I guess I'll wait. Maybe a week. Then I'll ask how to get my post approved.
  333. pep. I'm not sure who has access, board members?
  334. MattJ No
  335. pep. iteam?
  336. pep. I think Seve had access to some of it?
  337. MattJ Some subset of iteam
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  346. pdurbin Thanks. Is there a URL for iteam? I can't find it.
  347. MattJ I don't think so
  348. MattJ There is a MUC, but I think everyone in it is also in here
  349. Zash https://xmpp.org/about/xsf/infrastructure-team ?
  350. Zash all outdated of course
  351. MattJ Someone should file an issue about that
  352. MattJ (only kidding, please don't)
  353. Zash There's an issue tracker for that?
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  355. Zash I'll file an issue about sending you an email about filing an issue about fixing that.
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  359. Ge0rG pdurbin: the easiest and fastest way is to subscribe, then re-send
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  363. pdurbin Thanks for the URL. I'm not sure why resending would help.
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  366. MattJ I think Ge0rG is suggesting that it only requires manual approval if you're not subscribed to the list when you send
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  368. MattJ which is the case with most of our lists I think, so probably that one too
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  750. pdurbin I was already subscribed when I tried to post my message. I guess I'll keep waiting. :(
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