XSF logo XSF Discussion - 2019-05-26


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  76. pep. "Accepted"? (I guess if this discussion happens again there will be plenty enough bikeshed). I also agree anyway
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  112. jonas’ Accepted is Experimental though
  113. Zash Try harder to push Draft to Final?
  114. jonas’ s/Draft/Productive/?
  115. jonas’ s/Draft/Living Standard/?
  116. Zash Live Testing
  117. Zash Please Implement!!!!1eleven
  118. flow Mature? Stable?
  119. flow Zash, I don't see the point in the 'final' state FWIW
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  121. jonas’ final means immutable, there might be some value in that or not
  122. Zash But things never stop changing unless they are dead. So it's kinda weird.
  123. Zash What do you do with an immutable XEP when the requirements inevitably change a decade later?
  124. jonas’ RFCs don’t change
  125. Zash RFCs get replaced
  126. jonas’ I think the same idea was for Final initially, too
  127. jonas’ (and maybe still is)
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  130. Zash IETF has Internet-Drafts which are almost like our Experimental. Then it maybe gets published as an Experimental or Propsoed RFC, which is sorta like our Draft. Then you go back to I-D and roll in tweaks based on experiences, which gets published as another type of RFC
  131. Zash Tho you can roll in new experiences in Draft XEPs, but with more friction due to Council
  132. Guus I agree that it might be good to adopt a terminology that leans less heavily towards the "this isn't done yet" side. It's off-putting, and can be taken as a sign that there's no maturity to the stack.
  133. Zash RFC 3920 is "Proposed"
  134. Zash Wait RFC 6120 is also "PROPOSED STANDARD"
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  136. Zash HTTP/1.1 is a draft standard
  137. Zash I think the thing is that nobody looks in that corner
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  141. theTedd the issue is that what we mean by 'Draft' isn't how the word is usually used, and if you have to go out of your way to explain the way you're using a word, maybe you should just use a different word
  142. theTedd we want to imply "ready for use" as opposed to "a bit rough, but nearly there"
  143. jonas’ yes
  144. theTedd this has come up before, of course
  145. Zash Many times
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  147. theTedd Mature?
  148. jonas’ so that it ends up in content filters :)
  149. theTedd ha
  150. theTedd Stable?
  151. Zash Isn't that Final?
  152. theTedd Stable doesn't rule out changes, Final i supposed to
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  154. Zash Or, just do away with the words and use numbers.
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  156. theTedd I'm not sure that would help - people will take the highest number as final and anything less as unfinished
  157. Zash That's how XEP version numbers work already
  158. Zash 0.x = experimental, 1.0 = STABLE! (draft), 2.0 = immutable forever
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