XSF Discussion - 2019-07-06

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04:13:33 neshtaxmpp hi
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04:14:12 neshtaxmpp something stange is happening with ejabberd. you are not connected to this chat... latest git ejabberd. attention
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08:01:17 jcbrand There are lots of hills that Ge0rG isn't willing to die on
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08:04:13 Ge0rG Also lots of hills where I'm fighting to death... 😉
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19:54:26 jonas’ ping
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19:55:08 Zash RST
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20:01:08 jonas’ I seem to have a stuck s2s link between xmpp.org and wielicki.name
20:03:37 Zash Any idea when it started?
20:04:11 jonas’ yes
20:04:19 jonas’ 18:40Z
20:05:03 jonas’ 18:33Z was last successful contact
20:05:21 jonas’ ±2min
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20:07:32 Zash Like say 18:31:17
20:07:55 jonas’ I see an unanswered ping being sent to xmpp.org at 18:35:12 from my prosody
20:08:12 jonas’ I luckily have debug logs \o/
20:09:08 jonas’ 18:33:17 also looks unanswered (going further up)
20:09:24 Zash I see nothing after that
20:09:49 Zash And I see an error.
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20:09:59 jonas’ oh yes, I have 18:31:17 as the last answer
20:10:00 Zash And I know the reason for that.
20:10:08 jonas’ the reason is?
20:11:04 Zash A chain of unshaved yaks I'm afraid
20:11:08 jonas’ oh dear
20:11:21 jonas’ is this again the thing where I start to test/monitor stuff and I find bugs in servers?
20:12:11 Zash Bug in lua-event. It's fixed, but there's where the chain of unshaved yaks starts, waiting for iteam to fix the world 🙂
20:12:28 jonas’ I see
20:12:35 jonas’ s/lua-event/epoll/ and see how much fire comes out of things?
20:13:21 jonas’ Ge0rG, are you okay with me registering an account on yax.im for ping-probing my own domains from yax.im every 60s or so, possibly along with xmpp.org for fun & profit?
20:14:42 jonas’ Zash, so you have all data you need?
20:15:41 lovetox why are there features registered for MUC and no description what they mean
20:15:52 lovetox whats muc_unsecured !?
20:16:03 Zash lovetox, opposite of the one where it has a password
20:16:06 Zash I think?
20:16:10 lovetox whats muc_public vs muc_open
20:16:21 lovetox Zash no there is muc_passwordprotected
20:16:39 lovetox muc_persistent vs muc_temporary
20:16:49 Zash jonas’, not entirely sure why the error causes s2s to be stuck
20:17:09 jonas’ muc_public and muc_open are not mutually exclusive
20:17:24 lovetox how do you know that?
20:17:32 jonas’ lovetox, I run search.jabbercat.org ;)
20:17:49 Zash One is the opposite of hidden and the other is maybe the opposite of members-only?
20:17:53 jonas’ yes
20:17:54 jonas’ that’s the case
20:17:56 lovetox haha ok, so now we know its used in the wild
20:18:01 lovetox but still no idea what it means
20:18:05 jonas’ I do
20:18:14 jonas’ is_joinable_muc = ( "muc_open" in info.features and "muc_passwordprotected" not in info.features and "muc_persistent" in info.features )
20:18:19 jonas’ is_indexable_muc = ( "muc_public" in info.features and "muc_persistent" in info.features )
20:18:21 Zash https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#registrar-features has some short descriptions
20:18:37 jonas’ a MUC needs to be indexable && joinable to appear in the listing
20:18:44 jonas’ thus, there are quite a few which are both open and public :)
20:19:10 lovetox Zash thats what im looking at
20:19:41 jonas’ I don’t look at muc_unsecured
20:19:41 lovetox so they added a feature for every state
20:19:52 lovetox instead of if muc_open is absent it means its not open
20:20:09 jonas’ Zash, would closing the s2s link from my side help fixing the stuckness?
20:20:52 Zash probably, tho I wonder if it'll notice the closing if it doesn't notice incoming data
20:21:50 Zash hm
20:22:58 jonas’ my question is thus: can I do that, or would that hinder investigations you want to take on this?
20:24:35 Zash Hold on
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20:32:27 jonas’ alright, I just silenced the alert for now :)
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20:34:07 Zash jonas’, eh, kill it
20:36:38 lovetox em
20:36:55 lovetox ejabberd returns on disco info on a muc room
20:37:09 lovetox a form that has not only the typical roominfo stuff
20:37:20 lovetox they also add roomconfig stuff in there even with options
20:37:45 jonas’ Zash, that fixed things
20:38:00 lovetox https://paste.gajim.org/view/a337ac53
20:38:05 lovetox should i report this?
20:38:13 lovetox looks really weird and not right
20:38:31 Zash Specifically?
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20:42:03 jonas’ what’s weird about it?
20:42:37 lovetox a form of formtype muc#roominfo
20:42:45 lovetox having muc#roomconfig vars
20:42:55 jonas’ not unusual
20:42:57 Ge0rG jonas’: feel free to IBR and set up monitoring
20:43:02 jonas’ lovetox, xsf@muc.xmpp.org has it too
20:43:04 jonas’ Ge0rG, thanks!
20:43:16 jonas’ (if you come across zombofant-blackbox-prober@yax.im, that’s me)
20:43:19 lovetox i dont see how this is relevant
20:43:33 jonas’ lovetox, it is relevant insofar as this is not an ejabberd specific thing
20:43:47 lovetox or is now everything ok if i find X things that do it like that
20:43:47 Ge0rG jonas’: IIRC the conversations uptime monitor is also doing a bunch of things, with a 2min period.
20:44:04 Ge0rG Also my cpu load is back to normal, so I'm relaxed now.
20:44:33 Zash https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#registrar-features <name>http://jabber.org/protocol/muc#roominfo</name> <desc>Support for the muc#roominfo FORM_TYPE</desc>
20:44:44 Ge0rG &
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20:48:09 lovetox why not just add a second form with the correct form type
20:48:30 lovetox why even bother having a form type if we can infer nothing from it
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20:49:14 Zash What
20:50:25 Zash What's the correct form type?
20:50:54 Zash It looks like it has `http://jabber.org/protocol/muc#roominfo`, which is correct
20:51:31 lovetox not if you put then vars in it that are registered under a different form type
20:52:37 jonas’ a form type is just a hint anyways
20:53:05 jonas’ I don’t see a reason to duplicate the names and semantics of the fields
20:53:54 Zash There's some text under example 10 https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#example-10 that seems to say that this is ok
20:54:13 lovetox Zash no
20:54:22 lovetox that example is wrong :D
20:54:23 jonas’ > whereas other information is based on the more-stable room configuration, which is why any field defined for the muc#roomconfig FORM_TYPE can be included in the extended service discovery fields (as shown above for the "muc#roomconfig_changesubject" field).
20:54:29 jonas’ is it?
20:54:32 jonas’ the text seems to say it’s right
20:54:33 lovetox yes
20:55:30 lovetox indeed XEP allows it
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20:55:56 lovetox the example is wrong because of this
20:55:56 lovetox muc#roominfo_changesubject
20:56:06 lovetox this var is not registered and does not exist
20:56:15 lovetox but its unrelated to the topic :)
20:56:23 jonas’ oh it should be roomconfig_changesubject, I guess
20:56:39 lovetox no also wrong
20:56:47 lovetox i mean you could but there is a better option
20:56:56 jonas’ which is?
20:57:05 lovetox muc#roominfo_subjectmod
20:57:09 lovetox which is actually registered
20:57:09 lovetox :D
20:57:11 jonas’ fun
20:57:23 lovetox it gets even more funnier
20:57:31 lovetox i wanted to show that value in Gajim
20:57:52 lovetox so i looked at the example, and told ejabberd and prosody devs to add roomconfig_changesubject
20:57:54 lovetox both did
20:57:55 lovetox :D
20:58:22 jonas’ too tired
20:58:24 jonas’ sleepytime
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20:58:42 Zash seconded
21:00:07 lovetox ah no even worse, i requested adding the wrong one muc#roominfo_changesubject
21:00:08 lovetox :/
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