XSF Discussion - 2019-07-10

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06:33:46 rion > Jingle-FT::File: OPTIONAL, but SHOULD be present when offering a file. Can we change SHOULD to MUST here?
06:34:13 rion it's for "size" attribute
06:34:45 rion s/attribute/element/
06:36:16 rion sending files being changed is not a good idea anyway
06:36:53 waqas File systems exist where file size isn't known in advance
06:37:52 rion in use nowadays?
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06:38:02 waqas Certainly, e.g., /proc on Linux
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06:39:38 rion well ok I guess there are people who ever send files from /proc. certainly not me though.
06:40:31 waqas A generic file transfer building block is useful, e.g., I may choose to offer webdav like services. Note that size tends to be optional in almost all file transfer oriented protocols. Almost nothing mandates it.
06:40:33 rion in any case if I ever sinde files from proc I'd made a cache first
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06:42:47 waqas You are thinking of "rion's specific use-case", and not of "general protocol building block usable in a variety of situations"
06:43:00 waqas I sympathize FWIW :)
06:43:06 rion ok ok =)
06:43:27 waqas And you can always cache on the receiver side :)
06:44:28 waqas Same is true for HTTP/webdav/etc, FTP, SFTP, email protocols, etc
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08:33:44 flow rion, what would be the benefit of s/SHOULD/MUST/ here?
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12:19:49 rion Knowing full size in advance it's somewhat easier to operate with ranged transfers
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12:48:36 moparisthebest rion: what if I'm sending you a flac as an mp3 and just converting it on the fly or something
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13:24:15 flow rion, sure it is, but what has this to do with s/SHOULD/MUST/?
13:25:01 flow i guess my point is that most implementation will send the size if they know it, while there may be cases where you do not know the size in advance
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13:26:06 flow and if we s/SHOULD/MUST/ then those cases would no longer be compliant
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13:27:12 flow which probably would not prevent those implementations to perform file transfers without size announcing the size
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14:25:57 rion I agree with you guys :) I just thought I can really use it to stream endless media. I already see this SIMS with an online translation :)
14:26:15 rion over s5b =)
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16:37:17 Zash What would be a good way to represent a datetime delta in a dataform?
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16:37:41 jonas’ seconds as floating point?
16:37:42 Zash For eg MAM retention periods and such
16:37:52 jonas’ it’ll be a PITA
16:38:52 Zash XEP-0122 has datetime but that's not quite right
16:43:04 Zash https://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/#duration Hmmm
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16:46:36 jonas’ not complex at all
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16:48:07 Zash My head hurts
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