XSF logo XSF Discussion - 2019-07-10


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  66. rion > Jingle-FT::File: OPTIONAL, but SHOULD be present when offering a file. Can we change SHOULD to MUST here?
  67. rion it's for "size" attribute
  68. rion s/attribute/element/
  69. rion sending files being changed is not a good idea anyway
  70. waqas File systems exist where file size isn't known in advance
  71. rion in use nowadays?
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  73. waqas Certainly, e.g., /proc on Linux
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  76. rion well ok I guess there are people who ever send files from /proc. certainly not me though.
  77. waqas A generic file transfer building block is useful, e.g., I may choose to offer webdav like services. Note that size tends to be optional in almost all file transfer oriented protocols. Almost nothing mandates it.
  78. rion in any case if I ever sinde files from proc I'd made a cache first
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  81. waqas You are thinking of "rion's specific use-case", and not of "general protocol building block usable in a variety of situations"
  82. waqas I sympathize FWIW :)
  83. rion ok ok =)
  84. waqas And you can always cache on the receiver side :)
  85. waqas Same is true for HTTP/webdav/etc, FTP, SFTP, email protocols, etc
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  152. flow rion, what would be the benefit of s/SHOULD/MUST/ here?
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  215. rion Knowing full size in advance it's somewhat easier to operate with ranged transfers
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  219. moparisthebest rion: what if I'm sending you a flac as an mp3 and just converting it on the fly or something
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  239. flow rion, sure it is, but what has this to do with s/SHOULD/MUST/?
  240. flow i guess my point is that most implementation will send the size if they know it, while there may be cases where you do not know the size in advance
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  242. flow and if we s/SHOULD/MUST/ then those cases would no longer be compliant
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  245. flow which probably would not prevent those implementations to perform file transfers without size announcing the size
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  264. rion I agree with you guys :) I just thought I can really use it to stream endless media. I already see this SIMS with an online translation :)
  265. rion over s5b =)
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  289. Zash What would be a good way to represent a datetime delta in a dataform?
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  291. jonas’ seconds as floating point?
  292. Zash For eg MAM retention periods and such
  293. jonas’ it’ll be a PITA
  294. Zash XEP-0122 has datetime but that's not quite right
  295. Zash https://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/#duration Hmmm
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  297. jonas’ not complex at all
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  302. Zash My head hurts
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