XSF logo XSF Discussion - 2019-09-03


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  164. nyco_ please make noise: https://twitter.com/xmpp/status/1168821737682812935
  165. Ge0rG Why is it called "the July and August" edition in the tweet?
  166. ralphm Because it covers news from those months?
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  168. Ge0rG but then it has September in the title.
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  170. ralphm Aha, slightly confusing indeed
  171. Ge0rG also I was said the newsletter missed the profanity 0.7.0 release
  172. Ge0rG Not sure if it still can be added, retroactively. Or whether it even makes sense to
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  174. ralphm Well, I suppose many people might only read the emailed edition.
  175. Ge0rG Yeah.
  176. ralphm So I'd probably move it
  177. Ge0rG nyco_: good job, anyway!
  178. nyco_ oops, missed it
  179. nyco_ add it here, for the next edition
  180. nyco_ https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/News_and_Articles_for_the_next_XMPP_Newsletter
  181. Guus Thanks for picking this back up, nyco!
  182. nyco_ Latest release: profanity-0.6.0.tar.gz md5: 5818d36c572d2dfe2f1112b11d95d609 sha1: 9ed7dffb7b99dfff6010032602f3b08839b12c94 profanity-0.6.0.zip md5: f5db969aa205c3c1a378ecec55b99c08 sha1: 2fb0b80cd6c72e82988292279851466aa847188c
  183. nyco_ not announced here neither: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/profanitydev
  184. nyco_ anyway, I missed it, sorry
  185. ralphm Maybe you are actually human?
  186. Guus Let's not make this your responsibility, nyco_ - that newsletter is a community effort, being prepared for in the wiki, the PR being reviewed for a week - we all missed it.
  187. ralphm Indeed
  188. nyco_ yeah! :)
  189. Guus unless, of course, there was going to be cake to make up for the mistake. In that case, it's totally your fault.
  190. nyco_ that's a possibility, indeed, come to Paris for this!
  191. Guus ... tempting...
  192. nyco_ btw meetups in Paris are not as active as other places, let's fix this?
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  194. Guus giving that you're actually in Paris, you seem like a good person to make that happen ๐Ÿ™‚
  195. Guus lotsa Frenchies here.
  196. nyco_ yep
  197. nyco_ in French, we say "yaka/fokon"
  198. pep. The XEP thing is a goof attempt, but we should have skipped the finished LCs probably. "This Last Call begins today and shall end at the close of business on 2019-08-13."
  199. jubalh nyco_, no problem you missed it. just to clarify thought: https://profanity-im.github.io/ is the new website. 0.7.0 is mentioned there. profanity.im we dont have any power over (only original author) and he is quite busy..
  200. pep. The XEP thing is a good attempt, but we should have skipped the finished LCs probably. "This Last Call begins today and shall end at the close of business on 2019-08-13."
  201. jubalh nyco_, i also dont use the mailing list and for twitter only the original author has access
  202. nyco_ "yaka" : "il n'y a qu'ร ..." => "it's only a matter of..." "fokon" : "il faut qu'on..." => "we got to..."
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  204. jubalh we thoght adding it to the wiki is a good start ;)
  205. nyco_ jubalh thx
  206. Ge0rG jubalh: add it to the newsletter page on the xmpp wiki :D
  207. nyco_ btw, https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Basic_communication_guide_for_XMPP_techies please all review, this might be helpful
  208. nyco_ Ge0rG done
  209. Ge0rG ๐Ÿ‘
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  213. nyco_ https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/News_and_Articles_for_the_next_XMPP_Newsletter#Clients
  214. ralphm nyco_: just to clarify, so this is actually the September edition, unlike what the tweet said?
  215. nyco_ so, does Profanity force you to chat only in harsh words? :)
  216. pep. nyco_: I poked you and Link Mauve here a few times about Paris. I know we have people there so yeah it'd be good to have one
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  218. nyco_ pep. the 137 is a good place, I can book it
  219. jubalh nyco_, cool thanks!
  220. jubalh nyco_, haha no :P
  221. nyco_ I'm thinking of doing a meme-based IM app :)
  222. nyco_ you only chat with memes
  223. linkmauve nyco_, pep., sorry Iโ€™m in Berlin this week!
  224. pep. linkmauve: sure, I'm not n france before some unknown date
  225. pep. linkmauve: sure, I'm not in france before some yet unknown date
  226. nyco_ https://news.jabberfr.org/2017/03/rencontre-xmpp-le-mardi-28-mars-2017-a-paris/
  227. pep. Yeah that was jabberfr, randomly I guess
  228. pep. Maybe the venue can be reused
  229. linkmauve pep., it was the 137. :p
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  231. pep. Ah, ok
  232. linkmauve Thanks to nyco_ for doing all of the booking and things. :)
  233. nyco_ https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Meetups/Paris
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  236. pep. nyco_: "it would be nice" doesn't work :p, fix a date
  237. pep. Set* a date
  238. nyco_ if there's a "cakeup" in Paris (meetup with a cake), would you join @Guus and @ralphm ?
  239. Guus haha, luring me with candy
  240. Guus not a bad plan ๐Ÿ™‚
  241. ralphm Time permitting, sure.
  242. linkmauve jubalh, canโ€™t you make the original author redirect profanity.im there, or provide you an alias?
  243. nyco_ 28 March 2020, this is the third anniversary of our latest meetup
  244. linkmauve :D
  245. nyco_ what about making it "dual-place", live with another place, for example Krakow
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  248. ralphm Paris is It is about 4.5h drive, a little bit more by train.
  249. Daniel As someone who just recently (Co) started a meetup (and also failed to start one before): just do it
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  252. Daniel Not in half a year but now
  253. Daniel Get a location. Set a date. Be done
  254. Daniel Even if just two other people show up
  255. pep. Note that meetups are generally something regular, and a few hours, they're not weekend long events
  256. nyco_ done is better than perfect, indeed still tempted to reach further and get a consensus
  257. Daniel > Note that meetups are generally something regular, and a few hours, they're not weekend long events That's what nyco_ is talking about, no?
  258. nyco_ I'm open
  259. nyco_ meetups are more presentations I like the idea of sprints, more in the "do"
  260. pep. Daniel: I wasn't entirely sure
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  262. pep. You don't make people do a 5h trip for an evening event :p
  263. Daniel Meetups = ~ user groups
  264. nyco_ unless there is cake
  265. nyco_ all right, I'll think about it, talk to people, and send a prosposition
  266. nyco_ (and book the room)
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  271. Daniel But I also want to organize a proper xmpp conference at some point. Maybe a bit like the lightning talks at summit and/or deep dives into certain (niche) topics
  272. pep. Yeah I also do want that
  273. Daniel My goal is maybe to attempt this in a dev room at next year's froscon (to save on cost)
  274. pep. We should try and reach out to companies we known use it
  275. pep. Ah is as seeing bigger :p
  276. pep. Ah i was seeing bigger :p
  277. Daniel And gather experience for the big xmpp conference on 5/2/22
  278. pep. What's that date
  279. Daniel pep.: yeah I've never organized a conference and I want to start small
  280. ralphm Daniel: I'd thought to do something like this this year, but didn't want to take it on. Organising a conference is quite a bit of work.
  281. Daniel And having experience is something that sponsors would probably like to see as well
  282. pep. Would fosdem be open to that then? I'm up for organizing
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  284. pep. Too late?
  285. pep. Froscon seems nice but maybe too localised?
  286. Daniel pep.: with the booth at fosdem we probably have too much on our plate already
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  288. Daniel I mean we can't be at the booth and the conference at the same time
  289. pep. Tbh I didn't take part very much at the booth, it seemed a bit too much
  290. pep. I'm sure we can have 2-3 people in a devroom
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  293. Daniel > Froscon seems nice but maybe too localised? I mean I'll probably try to do no matter what and it won't interfere with other attempts but I'd say that a good number of people live nearby. JC, Georg, the Netherlands are not really far
  294. Daniel Paul lives close ish
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  297. pep. Ok
  298. Daniel But is it too late for a dedicated dev room at fosdem?
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  301. pep. Maybe we can get one day yeah, that'd be cool
  302. pep. Generally we to with the real-time communication room though
  303. pep. Generally we go with the real-time communication room though
  304. ralphm Daniel: what do you mean with dedicated?
  305. Daniel ralphm: not the real time
  306. Daniel Just xmpp topics
  307. Ge0rG I'm not sure yet whether I'll make FOSDEM / Summit next year.
  308. ralphm We have partnered with the RTC people because it increased our changes of getting a room.
  309. ralphm chances
  310. Daniel I see
  311. pep. I guess it somewhat makes sense for fosdem, as meh as it is, it's already full anyway
  312. ralphm If there are good proposals from our community, I don't see why they couldn't make up a large part of the devroom.
  313. pep. Yeah
  314. pep. So we need to reach out to people using xmpp and push them tontalk about it
  315. pep. So we need to reach out to people using xmpp and push them to talk about it
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  320. ralphm The first step, applying for a room, is in progress. They chosen ones are announced end of the month, and then each room should put out an CfP before Oct 15.
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  331. jubalh linkmauve, I asked him to do just that months ago. He agreed. And 3 more times said he will do it.. ;)
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  362. nyco_ moving on: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Meetups/Paris#Fall_2019
  363. Daniel nyco_, in a week?
  364. nyco_ Daniel you ordered me to do so! :)
  365. Daniel fair enough
  366. nyco_ hehehe
  367. pep. I won't be there but I think it's a good idea :) careful with talks because you'll have to find the speakers :p
  368. pep. I'll join whenever I'm in Paris next timr
  369. pep. I'll join whenever I'm in Paris next time
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  372. nyco_ who wants to speak and bring real value for users?
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  480. Ge0rG Is there a reliable marker for "the client has received all offline messages"?
  481. Ge0rG Something like a subject in MUCs ;)
  482. Kev Only if you send yourself a message on login.
  483. Ge0rG This is wrong on so many levels.
  484. jonasโ€™ :(
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  487. Ge0rG So I can have a loading percentage indicator for MAM, but not for MUCs or offline messages.
  488. Zash XEP-0013 ? ๐Ÿ™
  489. Zash Hold on, Draft Standard
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  491. Ge0rG Are there any implementations?
  492. Zash Unknown to me.
  493. Ge0rG I've heard that Conversations is using it to PURGE offline storage, because everything is in MAM anyway.
  494. Daniel > Is there a reliable marker for "the client has received all offline messages"? I've used 198 requests in the past for a project that wasn't using mam
  495. jonasโ€™ :D
  496. jonasโ€™ true that works
  497. Daniel Also ping
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  500. Daniel Which has upsides and downsides to 198
  501. Ge0rG Daniel: how do you pull that off? send presence and ping back-to-back?
  502. Daniel Send presence, ping, on pong I know I'm caught up
  503. Ge0rG Yay.
  504. Daniel With r/a you have to know that this is your only r in flight
  505. Daniel Which you may or may not know
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  557. Ge0rG https://upload.yax.im/upload/rosGAVVtrjVIxteU/Screenshot_20190903-191637_Twidere.jpg
  558. Ge0rG Don't forget to test your artwork on dark backgrounds... ๐Ÿ˜‰
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  610. ralphm This is just dark mode. It is lofi
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  616. edhelas I'm only reading stuff using my XMPP XML stream, pictures are overrated
  617. Ge0rG edhelas: you read the raw xml from your Twitter bot?
  618. Ge0rG Reminds me of the League of Legends integration that was encoded xml inside of the message body.
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  623. edhelas Since i'm using HTTP over XMPP yeah ๐Ÿ˜—
  624. edhelas Are we not doing something similar with Stanza Encryption in the end?
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  631. Ge0rG HTTP over XMPP over BOSH over HTTP
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  675. pep. xmpp:chat@xmpp.rs?join < xmpp-rs is moving there
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