XSF logo XSF Discussion - 2019-09-16


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  5. Link Mauve Zash, rion, the people doing Renegade X started writing a PRECIS implementation suitable for use from C, or at least are planning on that.
  6. Link Mauve I don’t think any code has been written yet.
  7. Link Mauve Join chat@xmpp.rs (xmpp:chat@xmpp.rs?join) to get in touch with them, if you want to help.
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  83. flow Link Mauve, that C&C Renegage remake?
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  260. jonas’ I like the idea of MIX, but whenever I look at the specs I realize how much cleanup is still needed
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  266. Ge0rG I like the idea of XMPP, but whenever I look at the specs I realize how much cleanup is still needed
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  270. jonas’ hah
  271. Ge0rG jonas’: you could run for Council.
  272. jonas’ are the elections open again?
  273. jonas’ ah, they are
  274. jonas’ oh, Daniel’s coming back
  275. Ge0rG I need to find all the banners I made the last time.
  276. Ge0rG https://upload.yax.im/upload/L9QpGat3GD9S3nMF/make-xmpp-great-again.jpg = 404
  277. Ge0rG Who made this shit?
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  293. eevvoor sounds trumpy Ge0rG
  294. jonas’ that’s from back when Trump hadn’t won yet and it was still funny
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  296. eevvoor it is still funny, just like telling people that wa is perfect for pupils and at school. that's also funny 🙄
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  366. jonas’ ladies and gentlemen, we have a MIX create/join in aioxmpp! https://paste.debian.net/hidden/2b9100eb/
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  369. Zash gg
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  375. Ge0rG runs for the hills (of MUC)
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  387. Ge0rG flow: would you accept a PR containing the Oob.java file in the appropriate Smack namespace (which one?): https://github.com/yaxim-org/yaxim/blob/master/src/org/yaxim/androidclient/packet/Oob.java
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  389. Daniel I'm currently writing slides for a developers introduction to xmpp
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  392. Daniel Have we ever documented the session optional child thing?
  393. Daniel Or is that just something people need to know? Lol
  394. Zash Hm, hold on
  395. Zash Daniel: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cridland-xmpp-session/
  396. Daniel oh nice
  397. Daniel how would people usually discover that?
  398. Daniel that draft i mean
  399. Zash Even nicer would be to get that finished and RFC'd
  400. Zash Ie an RFC that updates RFC 6121
  401. ralphm Daniel: what do you mean discover? If a server presents that child element it supports it?
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  403. Daniel no how a developer would know about it
  404. ralphm Ah, well, it is an expired draft, so I assume the answer is they shouldn't?
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  407. ralphm (casually mentions dwd)
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  410. Zash It documents something that solves a problem and that is implemented.
  411. ralphm Well if that's the case, indeed it should progress, because it adds a new element to an existing namespace.
  412. ralphm I didn't know it was actually implemented.
  413. Daniel I think both ejabberd and prosody do
  414. Daniel At least
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  416. MattJ Yes
  417. ralphm Daniel: so the normal way would be this document progressing to RFC and being recorded as updating 6121. It would then show up at the top of the latter's document.
  418. Daniel good to know thanks.
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  421. ralphm Last discussion on this seems to be the same day the -01 was published, on the xmppwg list, by Kev and dwd.
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  431. Zash Discussion from then suggests M-Link also does it
  432. Daniel so does openfire
  433. Zash Are there clients that still fail if you stop advertising <session/>?
  434. Daniel dunno. are there servers that still fail if you don’t send session?
  435. Zash dunno. haven't looked at this since that draft
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  437. Zash Aw, MUC logs from that time lost in the crash? :(
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  439. jonas’ aioxmpp also supports that optional thing
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  442. jonas’ Daniel, jabber.ccc.de failed back when I started aioxmpp, not sure if it has been updated since then
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  445. Daniel The optional thing is fairly widely supported I believe. Gajim most likely as well. However I didn't know about that draft and thought it was just collective consciousness
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  447. Zash It existed before the draft, IIRC waqas may have talked about it before that
  448. Zash https://hg.prosody.im/trunk/rev/0bbbc9042361
  449. Zash Prosody 0.6
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  455. Daniel I think I remember that ejabberd only got that relatively recently. Circa 2016 or so.
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  458. Daniel And as jonas’ pointed out ejabberd in 2015 even required it
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  460. Zash 2016 indeed, if this is it: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/a150bf8fdc8061bc60e5cb1a64a1e06f962d6a4e
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  468. flow Ge0rG, sure. BTW, I am not sure if discussing Smack related stuff is really on-topic in xsf@, consider using smack@conference.igniterealtime.org, where we should continue discussing the details
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  511. Ge0rG flow: or you might join jdev@, where it's also on topic.
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  515. jonas’ Zash, oh wow, I was just assuming jabber.ccc.de was running old software
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  527. Ge0rG jonas’: I fell for that as well, recently
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