XSF logo XSF Discussion - 2019-09-25


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  139. pep. jcbrand: looking at the updates. I'm on the phone though so I'll do github things later on.
  140. jcbrand pep. Thanks no rush!
  141. jcbrand The moderation XEP is still WIP
  142. jcbrand So don't look at that 😛
  143. pep. A message with* full certainty
  144. jcbrand Thanks
  145. pep. Do XEPs using 422 also have to talk about 359 btw?
  146. jcbrand I guess sub-dependencies don't need to be explicitly mentioned
  147. pep. Say tomorrow we say "no more 359, let's use 765"
  148. pep. We'd only have to change 422. I'm not sure that's practical but..
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  161. pep. jcbrand: do you think we can loosen the restriction on the fulljid?
  162. pep. For retractions
  163. pep. Just like we did for LMC
  164. Zash `muc ? full_jid : bare_jid`
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  167. pep. For retractions, yeah I guess
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  169. Zash Maybe it would be good to have a XEP discussing JID based access / authorization like this
  170. Zash Could have the matching rule from privacy lists / blocking command there too
  171. jcbrand pep. Where do you see a restriction concerning full JID? Is it implicit in one of the examples?
  172. pep. > MUST only be processed when both the original message and retraction request are received from the same full-JID.
  173. pep. > A retraction MUST only be processed when both the original message and retraction request are received from the same full-JID.
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  175. pep. I guess that's an artifact of the protoXEP not being new
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  177. Martin At https://xmpp.org/software/clients.html profanity links to profanity.im but the new website is https://profanity-im.github.io/. Right now profanity.im should forward but they were already considering ditching the domain, so you should better change that to prevent linking to a domain squatter in the future.
  178. Zash But ... why
  179. Martin I don't know.
  180. Zash Martin: It's a matter of updating a JSON file via Github PR
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  182. jcbrand pep. Thanks, will update.
  183. Martin Zash, if you point me to that repo I will create an MR. :)
  184. Martin s/M/P
  185. jonas’ fear not for I have returned
  186. Zash Martin https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/tree/master/data
  187. Ge0rG jonas’! Are you okay!?
  188. Zash You were gone?
  189. Martin 3 days in a cave?
  190. Martin Sorry for not realizing, but the girls sobbing in front of that cave were not heared in munich.
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  192. Zash Emerges as 🤖 ?
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  198. jonas’ Ge0rG, I was just on vacation :D
  199. jonas’ and I wasn’t able to use XMPP for reasons I don’t understand
  200. jonas’ and I had nothing there to debug
  201. jonas’ quite frustrating
  202. Ge0rG jonas’: no VPN? no mobile?
  203. jonas’ Ge0rG, mobile data coverage was too bad to use
  204. Ge0rG even for XMPP? eww!
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  206. jonas’ except with the congstar thing which doesn’t have my credentials and just 32kbit/s
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  208. jonas’ Ge0rG, yeah, once I started to use the link it broke down :)
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  210. Martin Really? I was able to use xmpp on a train ride where I was not able to open any website.
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  213. jonas’ Martin, "broke down" as in "No coverage"
  214. jonas’ like, not even for calls
  215. jonas’ and the wifi there probably filtered DNS heavily
  216. jonas’ or maybe ports
  217. jonas’ but Conversations said "Server not found", so I guess they filtered DNS
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  247. pep. jcbrand: hmm, maybe use wording similar to https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0308.html#nt-idm46554800195296 ? Not just "JID"
  248. pep. I guess you can also mention relying on occupant id optionally
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  259. jonas’ Ge0rG, regarding that self-ping failure: the issue is twofold. first, the pinger interprets remote-server-not-found as "client was removed from the room" as per XEP-0410. second, it does not auto-rejoin after being removed (or maybe the rejoin fails because remote-server-not-found and it doesn’t re-try)
  260. jonas’ I don’t think that remote-server-not-found should be interpreted as "client has been removed from the room"
  261. Ge0rG jonas’: that's an interesting point.
  262. Ge0rG jonas’: it might be a network outage or a server outage.
  263. jonas’ exactly
  264. jonas’ I think it should be treated like a timeout
  265. jonas’ (especially since a re-join is not likely to succeed anyways)
  266. jcbrand pep. Done. I already mentioned that the occupant id should be checked in MUCs, clarified that further.
  267. pep. No SHOULD right? I know some people are not particularly happy with occupant-id, (because de-pseudonimisation, which is the goal), even though they haven't expressed that clearly yet.
  268. flow jonas’, it looks like I can't find the context of "that self-ping failure". Would you be so kind and point me to it?
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  271. jonas’ flow, https://github.com/horazont/aioxmpp/issues/312
  272. jonas’ Ge0rG, and even on server outages, the room state may still be persistent on the server an the client might not have actually been removed.
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  274. jonas’ so I’m very confident that assuming that r-s-n-f means "you got removed" is wrong.
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  276. Ge0rG jonas’: good point. Wanna send a PR to the XEP? ;)
  277. jonas’ after auditing RFC 6120 for more error conditions of that type, yes
  278. jonas’ remote-server-timeout is another one
  279. Ge0rG if only we had a practically useful error scheme.
  280. jonas’ I think we do, we just don’t use it well
  281. pep. jcbrand: I guess that's fine like that for the protoXEP. I'd probably relax the dependency on occupant-id though
  282. jcbrand Why? It's necessary IMO
  283. pep. It's useful for better UX yeah
  284. pep. Not especially necessary
  285. jcbrand It's necessary to prevent impersonation
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  287. pep. A client not implementing occupant-id (or a future equivalent?) would probably just ignore retractions when they can't validate the identity of the sender
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  289. larma pep., I'd say it's SHOULD (without retractions won't work in many cases) but not a MUST 😉
  290. pep. larma: yeah, SHOULD would be fine
  291. jcbrand pep. that's why it's a requirement, a client that doesn't support occupant-id can't support retractions
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  293. pep. jcbrand: why not?
  294. jcbrand because it can't validate the identity of the sender
  295. pep. For all other cases it works
  296. Ge0rG jcbrand: you can validate the sender without occupant-id, just in a more limited manner
  297. jcbrand Ge0rG: How? AFAIK you can determine whether don't know it's the same sender, but you can't always determine that you DO know it's the same sender.
  298. jcbrand Ge0rG: How? AFAIK you can determine whether you don't know it's the same sender, but you can't always determine that you DO know it's the same sender.
  299. Ge0rG jcbrand: as long as both you and the sender are joined to the MUC, you can know it's the same sender
  300. jcbrand yes but that's not always the case, hence the requirement
  301. Ge0rG jcbrand: it was good enough for LMC
  302. jcbrand It's a huge issue and not good enough IMO
  303. Ge0rG jcbrand: it's a minor issue, because it only affects public semi-anon MUCs and you can't rely on user identity in those anyway.
  304. Ge0rG jcbrand: I might be Ge0rG, a Council member, or Ge0rG, a russian troll bot.
  305. jcbrand At least I would know that a retracted message was by the same entity
  306. Ge0rG so there is not much difference between the authenticity of the things I say now vs. the things I say after a leave & rejoin
  307. jcbrand There is, because I know it's the same entity
  308. Ge0rG only if you require occupant-id
  309. jcbrand which I do
  310. larma jcbrand, I know you didn't touch that from the previous protoXEP, but I really don't like the tombstones thing: It changes the meaning of a messages UID in a non-backwards compatible fashion. This will most likely lead to different or even perceivably random behavior within clients that implement MAM but don't implement retractions...
  311. jcbrand at least in this XEP
  312. jonas’ Ge0rG, https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/834#issue-321176452
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  315. Ge0rG jonas’: 👍
  316. jcbrand Ge0rG: You and I both are of the opinion that it makes sense to try and "fix" MUCs as much as possible instead of putting our hopes on some future migration/rewrite. Requiring occupant id is a very good step in that direction.
  317. Ge0rG jcbrand: I'm not sure I agree.
  318. Ge0rG jcbrand: I'm not sure I disagree, either.
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  320. Ge0rG jcbrand: my point is: occupant-id is a significant change of user identity exposition in semi-anon MUCs, and this step shouldn't be taken lightly.
  321. Ge0rG jcbrand: there is no _technical_ requirement on occupant-id in either LMC or Retractions.
  322. jcbrand It's security related
  323. larma jcbrand, (also regarding tombstones) shouldn't the logic of how to apply fastenings in MAM be part of fastening and not part of every individual XEP? I expected that to be the main reason why we'd want a generic fastening XEP, no?
  324. jonas’ oh look at how awake I am
  325. jonas’ I didn’t even realise that Ge0rG is in Council.
  326. Ge0rG jonas’: it will be a very interesting discussion on whether that change mandates a namespace bump.
  327. Ge0rG jonas’: therefore I explicitly only approved the XEP with my author hat on.
  328. Ge0rG puts on his robe and author hat
  329. jonas’ "yes, but..."
  330. jcbrand larma: I think we should have a way to actually remove the message from the archive and not just append a hint that it shouldn't be shown. Most fastenings will be append only I presume.
  331. Ge0rG jcbrand: you can't actually remove a message from MAM, merely remove its payload.
  332. jcbrand Ge0rG: "removal" means tombstoning
  333. Ge0rG Ah, okay
  334. jcbrand This is another security issue IMO. It's better to not send certain messages to clients, even if a retraction will be sent afterwards
  335. larma > However a server that wishes to remove messages from the middle of an archive, e.g. to remove accidentally transmitted sensitive information may omit the <message> stanza from inside the <forwarded> element
  336. jcbrand The retraction is only for currently connected clients who already received the offending message
  337. Ge0rG Can't we already just implement a distributed chat history database synchronization protocol, instead of adding one quirk on top of another over unreliable message transport stream semantics?
  338. jcbrand larma: I'm not sure what you're point with that quote is. The point of tombstoning is to not remove the original message
  339. jcbrand larma: I'm not sure what you're point with that quote is. The point of tombstoning is to remove the original message
  340. jcbrand Sorry... there was a "not" in there
  341. Kev Ge0rG: I don't know, can we?
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  343. Ge0rG Kev: you tell me
  344. larma jcbrand, the MAM XEP suggests that you probably want to remove the <message> from the <forwarded> (and optionally replace it with a <retracted>) instead of adding <retracted> inside <message>
  345. larma at least that's how I read it
  346. jcbrand larma: Look at the example, the <retracted> element is inside the <message> element.
  347. Ge0rG Kev: I've recently thought a bit about one of the aspects of that: https://gist.github.com/ge0rg/5ae3365196a0c046fc596bbf707fdc15
  348. jcbrand larma: Are you looking at my PR? Or where are you reading this?
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  350. larma jcbrand, yes your PR has <retracted> inside <message> inside <forwarded> but 313§2.1 suggests that you shouldn't do that and instead remove <message> from <forwarded> and optionally replace it with an appropriate placeholder (like <retracted> directly inside <forwarded>)
  351. Kev Ge0rG: that's what bind2's trying to help with, I think? (The (4) part at least).
  352. Ge0rG Kev: yes, but bind2 will only do a very small subset of #4
  353. Kev Probably.
  354. jcbrand larma: Then you don't know who the retracted message was from
  355. Kev Ge0rG: Or, rather, probably needs to be extended to cover them.
  356. larma jcbrand, then you have to add that to <retracted>?
  357. jcbrand What's the difference? Why is this an issue?
  358. Ge0rG Kev: I'm not saying that bind2 isn't the right syntactic vehicle to perform MAM-Sub. It just lacks momentum.
  359. jcbrand larma: IMO it looks more correct semantically the way it is now
  360. Kev Ge0rG: Right.
  361. larma jcbrand: It is an issue because with your way it is undecidable if the message was send this way from the original sender or if it was done by MAM
  362. jcbrand Ok you have a point
  363. larma Also IMO the retracted message from MAM should probably also tell who retracted it and when?
  364. jcbrand yes, "when" is a good addition
  365. Ge0rG so store an original tombstone plus the retraction message?
  366. Ge0rG so store an "original" tombstone plus the retraction message?
  367. larma Ge0rG, we are approaching what a proper fastening XEP would add to a MAM message for every fastening 😉
  368. larma <forwarded xmlns='urn:xmpp:forward:0'> <delay xmlns='urn:xmpp:delay' stamp='2019-09-20T23:08:25Z'/> <retracted xmlns='urn:xmpp:message-retract:0' from='romeo@montague.example' by='lord@capulet.example' stamp='2019-09-20T23:09:15Z' /> </forwarded>
  369. larma (by being optional and defaulting to same as from)
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  373. larma jcbrand, > Clients MUST set the XEP-0359 'origin id' attribute on sent messages to make them suitable for message retraction. Shouldn't be needed in MUCs as we use MUCs stanza-id instead (and it would be stupid if you can't moderate messages that don't have an origin-id :D)
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  378. larma jcbrand, https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/833/files#diff-30e15b71462f098e1b7b4cb6931c64bbR84 is type=normal intended here?
  379. Ge0rG larma: you tell us it will break MAM and Carbons?
  380. larma Ge0rG, huh?
  381. Ge0rG larma: type=normal is the code word to enter the black magic underground of xmpp message routing.
  382. Ge0rG I really need to update my "What's wrong" presentation
  383. Zash Shall we issue a blanket statement that examples without @type means "any type"
  384. jcbrand Is a type attribute mandatory?
  385. Zash No, but it defaults to 'normal'
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  387. Zash so `<message/>` == `<message type="normal"/>`
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  393. larma jcbrand, https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/833/files#diff-30e15b71462f098e1b7b4cb6931c64bbR62 if you leave out type=groupchat here, the message won't be delivered to room occupants. Technically type=normal works in the other case because it is the MUC sending it, but type=groupchat is better IMO because it implies that every room occupant receives it and also if this was a self-retraction message, it would be type=groupchat as well.
  394. jcbrand larma: Thanks, I'll fix
  395. larma (We can also go with type=headline for the retraction message, but I bet this would just f**k up things)
  396. Ge0rG larma: yeah, it would
  397. Ge0rG I think we should be using headline for MAM retrieval and such
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  399. Ge0rG just to annoy pidgin users.
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  410. Zash What is the deal with https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0182.html ?
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  413. Zash It registers the namespace urn:xmpp:errors but I'm not aware of anything that uses it
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  416. Zash https://xmpp.org/registrar/errors.html hm
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  419. Ge0rG <too-many-stanzas/> is one for the firewall
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  421. flow jonas’> I think we do, we just don’t use it well [re error scheme] I think it could be improved here and there: https://github.com/igniterealtime/Smack/blob/93aaf6d8d7df1071a224ef406738ff322c20724b/smack-extensions/src/main/java/org/jivesoftware/smackx/ping/PingManager.java#L156
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  520. edhelas I reopened https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/824 a few days ago because it was merged by mistake, should I do something else to make it reviewed by the Council ?
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  523. Ge0rG edhelas: tell Council about it. Ideally through the means of an agenda submission to dwd, but shouting about it in here at the right time might work
  524. jonas’ edhelas, posting it somewhere around 15:00Z on a wednesday in an XSF room is a good start :)
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  526. Guus moments ago, in the council room:
  527. Guus https://igniterealtime.org:443/httpfileupload/20d808ee-fbdf-4ab5-857d-95891aefbcd7/image.png
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  554. jonas’ MattJ, can we make a time window (2h or 3h in duration) where we try to figure out how the XSF Registrar is supposed to work technically?
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  558. MattJ Sure
  559. MattJ How about this time +1w - 2h?
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  562. Ge0rG MattJ: that would overlap with Council Meeting
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  565. MattJ -1h?
  566. MattJ or just... after the council meeting next week
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