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  124. lovetox still feel we should do something about the MAM stanza-id rules
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  126. lovetox right now it says the id must be unique within an archive
  127. lovetox which is good, i hope all server implementations considered the case that the server database is wiped or server is new setup
  128. lovetox the new ids in the new installation must not clash with old ids from the old installation
  129. lovetox because only because i wipe a database on the server does not mean its wiped on the client
  130. lovetox i know ejabberd uses a timestamp
  131. lovetox dont know what prosody uses
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  136. lovetox probably a uuid so also fine
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  319. Daniel jonas’: do you relay on roominfo_occupants or do you do a disco items on the room or something?
  320. Zash I would guess the former
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  322. Zash Related: Prosody doesn't return occupants on disco#items anymore for privacy reasons.
  323. pep. Daniel, asking because the number is not what you expect?
  324. Daniel > Daniel, asking because the number is not what you expect? I'm about to find out
  325. pep. It's a floating number, it's not accurate at all times
  326. pep. That's on purpose
  327. Zash Moving average iirc
  328. pep. Right that
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  330. Daniel Ah. On the search you mean. No thats fine.
  331. Daniel I'm discoing my own server and are wondering if I can actually do something useful with that number
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  334. Daniel > Related: Prosody doesn't return occupants on disco#items anymore for privacy reasons. All rooms or just private ones?
  335. Zash All.
  336. Zash Code deleted is best code.
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  342. Daniel sight. i never wanted to implement 'local muc' discovery because I thought it would be 95% garbage/empty or unaccesible mucs. however it might be useful for some very special in-house deployments and therefor I implemented it; now i’m frustrated about seeing 95% garbage mucs on the servers that i've tested this with…
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  345. Zash Mmmmmmmmmmmyeah.
  346. Zash I had toughts about garbage collection
  347. Daniel Can I discover that I have admin priveleges on the server?
  348. Zash Maybe
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  352. Daniel Thinking out loud over a 'destroy channel' in the context menu of that search
  353. Daniel Without having to join first
  354. Zash In theory, I think there's something in xep-0030 for admin accounts
  355. Daniel Also I'm wondering if disco#items on ejabberd lists unlisted rooms that I created
  356. Daniel Just because I'm wondering why there are so many in my own server
  357. Zash https://xmpp.org/registrar/disco-categories.html#account
  358. Zash Doesn't look like Prosody does that tho :(
  359. Zash I don't know about ejabberd
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  363. Zash Daniel: Prosody does however expose an ad-hoc command on MUCs to admins for destroying rooms
  364. Daniel Is that different to normal destroy?
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  367. Zash Daniel: It allows destroying multiple rooms at once. Does the same thing internally tho.
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  369. Daniel Why are there so many rooms on various public servers that look like the ones auto generated by Conversations. Does the unlisted thing not work?
  370. Zash Hm?
  371. Daniel To people deliberately use gajim to make them listed
  372. Daniel What is going on
  373. Zash Example?
  374. Daniel Conversations create group chat has a way of creating random local parts
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  376. lovetox Daniel, public_list is a custom setting on ejabberd
  377. lovetox i dont think prosody even has one
  378. Daniel What?
  379. Zash Now I'm confused
  380. lovetox at least my code uses "public_list" in room creation
  381. lovetox maybe i missed a official option for that?
  382. Zash Daniel: Can you (ev privately) point me at a public server that shows this?
  383. Daniel It's called publicroom
  384. Zash I'm not seeing a lot on the random few I looked at
  385. lovetox muc#roomconfig_publicroom
  386. lovetox indeed
  387. lovetox whats public_list then on ejabberd
  388. lovetox something different probably
  389. Zash (Fun fact: It's called 'hidden' internally in Prosody and set to the opposite of muc#roomconfig_publicroom)
  390. Daniel Zash, never mind. maybe it wasn’t that many after all. on a mobile screen even ~5 look like a lot
  391. Zash Heh.
  392. lovetox ah public_list on ejabberd is to hide the member list
  393. lovetox so you can make the room searchable but dont query who is in it
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  395. Zash https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#disco-roomitems MAY for a somewhat redundant, you get all that via presence when you join
  396. Zash https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#disco-roomitems MAY for a somewhat redundant thing, you get all that via presence when you join
  397. Daniel i mean browse through the last pages of muclumbus https://search.jabber.network/rooms/29 and you see a few of them (vowel and consonant alternating) - but in the grand scope of things it's probably 'ok' to see a few
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  401. Zash Can it be changed trough Conversations?
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  404. Zash If it's at all possible to flip the 'public' switch then some people will find out and do it.
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