XSF logo XSF Discussion - 2019-11-02


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  124. debxwoody I think it would be helpful to have more provider at https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Provider_Recommendations
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  128. Daniel debxwoody, it’s a wiki. you can add servers
  129. debxwoody Daniel: OK, I will check with the provider and fill the page 👍
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  212. Ge0rG (I'm sure I sound grumpy and bitter, but those criteria sound like the page should be renamed to "Conversations server recommendations")
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  220. Daniel It's not like someone has come forward with a better proposal
  221. Zash Yaxim server recommendations.
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  224. !XSF_Martin There is a yaxim compliance tester.
  225. Daniel Would yaxim server recommendations be significantly different is the question
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  265. debxwoody It is difficult to recommend a provider. There are different needs for different people. Keep it open, like "XMPP Provider" and put the important information on top as description and some information within the list. The user can use.
  266. debxwoody s/use/choose
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  269. Ge0rG Daniel [13:24]: > Would yaxim server recommendations be significantly different is the question Generalized, the question should be: what are the XEPs that should be part of a Compliance Suite that can be followed by server operators.
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  273. Daniel Isn't the 2020 compliance suite and the criteria on that page almost identical?
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  275. Ge0rG Maybe somebody should check.
  276. Ge0rG It's Last Call after all!
  277. Daniel You started complaining / implying that this is not the case the assumed you did that beforehand
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  281. Ge0rG Let's see what's missing. IBR isn't listed in CS, but probably should be added to Core IM. I'm sure that will cause more controversy about closed deployments, but supporting is not the same as enabling it, I suppose.
  282. Zash Supported ≠ Deployed
  283. Zash Oh right you said that.
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  285. Ge0rG 0065 is required by the Conversations tester, but not in the CS. What should I do with that?
  286. Ge0rG 0160 would be a good addition to CS
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  288. Ge0rG 0384... It's not even a server feature, is it? The Conversations tester is mapping that to what? PEP publishing options?
  289. Daniel Yes
  290. Daniel Or broken ejabberd configurations
  291. Ge0rG 0156 happens absolutely outside of xmpp as it is used. Should that be part of Advanced Web?
  292. Ge0rG How would I add PEP publishing options to the CS?
  293. Daniel It isn't part of advanced web yet?
  294. Daniel Or basic web even
  295. Ge0rG The above is a list of all differences I've found. Daniel, as the maintainer of the Compliance Tester, I'd absolutely love to hear your recommendations on how to change the CS, on standards@
  296. Ge0rG Not mentioned at all
  297. Daniel Also it is for now just an informational test
  298. Daniel Same as ibr
  299. Ge0rG But IBR is required in the wiki page
  300. jonas’ Daniel, I rely on roominfo_occupants, yes. The number on the search is a moving average.
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  302. Daniel > But IBR is required in the wiki page Is that an unreasonable ask from a list of provider recommendations?
  303. Daniel That you can actually sign up?
  304. Zash Does it suppor the thing in IBR where it can give you an URL instead?
  305. Daniel Yes
  306. Ge0rG Daniel: not at all. And it's not unreasonable to add IBR to CS. Probably with a remark about spammer accounts and 0157
  307. Daniel The provider recommendation thing says that's ok
  308. Ge0rG Daniel: do you have detailed information on how far the uptime measurement bot got / what the reasons for failing were? I'm interested in why yax.im is below 99
  309. Ge0rG I assume it's too cpu loaded to react to all requests within 10s, but data is better than guesses
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  328. Ge0rG Kev: is there an exhaustive list of allowed presence annotations for XEP-0310?
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  332. Kev Blimey. I'd completely forgotten writing that. That was a long time ago.
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  337. Ge0rG Kev: it obviously needs a way to be extended with own-namespace conditions, and neither stanza errors nor stream errors seem an appropriate fill-in.
  338. Ge0rG But it would be nice to have a 0280 hibernated marker.
  339. Ge0rG It would also be nice if somebody from the prosody team implemented it in mod_smacks :D
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  342. Kev If you've got a use for it and would like to see it updated, please feel free.
  343. Ge0rG Kev: bummer. The last time I took over authorship of a XEP didn't end well.
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  415. Zash .
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  432. Zash .
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  435. Ge0rG Zash: you know you can just /ping the MUC?
  436. Zash /how does this even work
  437. Zash Ge0rG, does /ping work in Dino?
  438. Zash pep., can you hear me?
  439. Ge0rG Zash: you can make it happen!
  440. Ge0rG Or just use a full featured client.
  441. Ge0rG Or lament on standards@ to make ping required by CS 2020
  442. Ge0rG So many options!
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