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edhelas
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21562261 got a few remarks about XMPP there
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edhelas
it's on HN first page
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MattJ
Nice :)
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Holger
edhelas: Funny remark about the name, never thought of a Vim fork 🙂
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Holger
And wasn't aware of the acronym.
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edhelas
Actually Vim is a fork of Movim 🤫
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Holger
Vim is what happens if you rewrite Movim in C?
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edhelas
yup, we also ported the "can't escape feature", we call it the "Schrödinger's MUC presence"
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Zash
edhelas: Have you tried not mentioning XMPP some time, see how people react?
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edhelas
"is it based on Matrix" :p ?
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edhelas
but yes it's an idea, I'm also presenting the project as a simple "communication platform" when i feel that the whole XMPP thing is too technical
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edhelas
JSON in websockets https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21563294 \o/ here we go
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pep.
Of course the hardest part is the XML we all know
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MattJ
edhelas, I second Zash's suggestion - you'll observe that >90% of the discussion is related to XMPP, and almost none of it is about Movim or any of the things Movim can do
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MattJ
HN is a specific type of audience who have a love/hate relationship with XMPP - but as far as Movim is concerned, I don't think any of that baggage is very relevant
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pep.
yeah
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pep.
Well it's also compatible with SĂ t
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MattJ
Say it is built on top of the XMPP network, or supports federation via XMPP, or whatever
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MattJ
in the small print on the website
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pep.
yeah. Also what I have in mind
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MattJ
But "XMPP client" in the title is just asking for people to judge the project based on what their prior experience of XMPP is, not their experience of Movim
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pep.
One has to recognize that XMPP is not good branding in the open world
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jonas’
or what they think other people’s experience with XMPP was.
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MattJ
Funny that the rest of the discussion that is relevant to Movim is about how the name is too easily confused with vim, and must be changed if at all possible
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MattJ
I can see that really confusing my family members if I set it up for them
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edhelas
MattJ thanks for the feedback, next time I'll remove the XMPP mention and see how it goes yeah :)
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MattJ
Also see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21563600
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pep.
I think this uses ConverseJS. Converse is not a full featured client on its own, and will require your own websocket-enabled proxy most of the time since BOSH is rarely enabled." people being wrong on the internet..
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Zash
FUD, on HN? Never!
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MattJ
edhelas, in any case, I haven't said it yet - congratulations :)
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pep.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21564191
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pep.
MattJ, ^ :P
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MattJ
:)
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Zash
Yeah, grats edhelas
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pep.
pff, it got below the whole XMPP debate again..
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David Cridland
https://dev.to/dwd/sending-a-message-mmc <-- Comments and corrections welcome.
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pep.
english question: "everywhere where", is this common?
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David Cridland
Hmmm. I can probably make that "everywhere", indeed.
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moparisthebest
I think so yes
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David Cridland
Done, thanks.
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moparisthebest
I meant I think that's common, but yea can be removed too
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Ge0rG
David Cridland: sent you some remarks in private. Also your examples are missing the obvious situation when one message is MIA and the follow-up message gets chat-marker-acked
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David Cridland
Ge0rG, I think the principle is that we know if this is likely to have happened via '198 etc.
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Ge0rG
David Cridland: if we only had s2s 0198
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David Cridland
I think we do.
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Ge0rG
In theory only
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David Cridland
There's some questions over resumption, I think, but the basic acking service is solid (and in principle, the need for resumption should be much less).
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Ge0rG
David Cridland: in principle.
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Ge0rG
In practice, I'm experiencing multi-hour unidirectional failures between my server and muc.xmpp.org
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Ge0rG
And all messages sent during such a failure are lost.
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pep.
dwd, is that another take on https://dev.to/dwd/two-generals-8l5 btw?
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David Cridland
pep., Basically. But better written (I hope) and hopefully more encouraging toward XMPP.
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David Cridland
Loosely, I think XMPP is "winning" the space I'm calling "Critical Messaging", and I think we can capitalize on this (and move outward into other spaces from there, too).
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David Cridland
So discussing message reliability and things through this lens is, I think, a useful marketing message.
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Ge0rG
David Cridland: what's the target audience? Military contractors?
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Ge0rG
I still think that we need more high profile users of xmpp listed on our pages
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David Cridland
Ge0rG, No, more the crowd that thinks "Well, if it's good enough for...". And yes, it'd be great to get some case studies from high-profile names.
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B311
131 i got also problems to talk with Ge0rG and his manyorhernames
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B311
(i could doxx right now)
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Ge0rG
B311: unfortunately, most of my contact info is public, and I only use one name.
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Ge0rG
Oh. Too late.
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Tracer(Traceur)
Ge0rG: hi
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Tracer(Traceur)
i guess u mis red my message Ge0rG
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Ge0rG
Surely I did
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David Cridland
Tracer(Traceur), You appear to be threatening to publish private data on an individual, is that not what you meant?
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Tracer(Traceur)
i do?
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Tracer(Traceur)
let's ask an `admin` M.
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pep.
If there was sarcasm involved I must have missed it
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Tracer(Traceur)
wie z.B. der gute K3v
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Tracer(Traceur)
0der !Martin
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Tracer(Traceur)
ausm `kuketz-blog` ne'
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Ge0rG
Tracer(Traceur): sorry, I'm not a participant of that community, I just lack the time
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Tracer(Traceur)
Ge0rG: be sorry for that bullshit you serve to this community
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Ge0rG
Yeah, everybody in the XSF hates me.
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Tracer(Traceur)
Ge0rG: No way
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pep.
What's all this ad hominem for? early christmas?
- Guus wanders in, frowns.
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Guus
What did I miss?
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Guus
(I liked the article, dwd)
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Ge0rG
pep.: I have no idea.. Apparently somebody thinks I'm somebody else
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moparisthebest
well that is such a unique name there can only be one in the entire world right?
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Zash
"my commonName is globally unique" something something X.500 joke
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Guus
Don't get me started
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Guus
I've been battling LDAP all day
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Guus
Well, LDAPs escaping JNDI escaped Java's escaped slashes
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Guus
That was fun
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Zash
So much escaping, the slash escapes into your mind!
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jonas’
escaping hell
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jonas’
my favourite of that would be the tab-completion zsh does with fusermount -u
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jonas’
which somehow manages to replace ` 0` in a path with an actual nul byte. on the terminal.
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jonas’
I don’t think I want to know what goes wrong *there*
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David Cridland
Ge0rG, He's not annoyed about Jar Jar Binks is he? I could understand that.
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Ge0rG
David Cridland: you can blame me for many things, but not for Jar Jar.
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!XSF_Martin
> 0der !Martin > ausm `kuketz-blog` ne' Wow, but I would be more impressed if you threat to doxx me if I would not be using my real name on my websites and git repos...
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Tracer(Traceur)
!XSF_Martin: no martin
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Tracer(Traceur)
id doxx " Savant " aka CrYpToWl
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