jonas’as someone else put it:
19:59:48 Peng> https://www.keypointsabout.org/ <- You know a company's in hot water when they set up a bespoke website to say how not evil they are
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Ge0rGCome on, they have "Ethos" in their name! How much more ethical can a fund be?
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nycowho can simply summarise the state of IRCv3?
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jonas’"why?"
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SeveThat's maybe too short :D
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MattJ"Too little, too late" combined with the fact that 90% of the people still using IRC don't *want* it to be modernized
jonas’i wonder if the same could be said about XMPP from the perspective of Matrix :)
flowNot sure about that. People are working on it, and AFAIKT major clients and servers are invovled, it may take a while, as always in unpaid FOSS development, but I think it will eventually arrive in a weechat near your town
Ge0rGjonas’: wouldn't Matrix be the IRCv3 here?
mathieuiYeah, addressing its shortcomings while not switching protocols is worthwhile, but users don't care too much afaik
flowI don't feel like IRC is going away, which makes me happy and surprises me, given those slacks everwhere, but those appear to be mostly popular in the cooperate world
Ge0rGusers don't care too much about IRC
jonas’IRC is slowly going away to Matrix
ZashIs it?
flowIRC surely lost users to matrix, but I doubt that it will go away
jonas’it is also not-gaining users to Matrix
Ge0rG10:27:11 <--- trisma[m] has left the room (Remote host closed the connection)
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Ge0rGin an irc channel on freenode, just some minutes ago.
ZashI can believe new users enter IRC from Matrix.
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ZashThey're also pretty visible with that marketing [m] mark.
jonas’also, some projects which would in the past have set up IRC channels are now going straight to using Matrix rooms
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Ge0rGwith converse.js being as good as it is, I might switch my projects to XMPP MUCs
Ge0rGZash: which is why I call myself `Ge0rG[x]` in the matrix 🤷
ZashHard-core IRC users will never leave tho
Guusmumble mumble xkcd mumble mumble
jonas’https://xkcd.com/1782/
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nyco> "Too little, too late" combined with the fact that 90% of the people still using IRC don't *want* it to be modernized
does it apply to XMPP as well?
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ZashMore like "Too much, too early" there? 🙂
ZashHard to compare a different protocol with protocol extensions.
jonas’no. clearly XMPP is superior.
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flownyco, I think it's not about not wanting it to be modernized, but not caring that mutch
Zash"It works, don't fix it"
ZashAnd people often resist change
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nycoflow
> nyco, I think it's not about not wanting it to be modernized, but not caring that mutch
yes, that's more precise, and I assume the same... :)
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debacleXSF (and everybody else who has a .org domain) should renew now for the maximum period (10 y), so that at least for that time the price is fixed.
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debacleAnd maybe XSF can ask to establish a .xmpp TLD :-)
Zashdebacle: The way you ask is by paying some 200k.
ZashIIRC
pep.What was that new fancy registrar that has lots of more fancy TLDs again? The logo is a pig or sth
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debaclehttps://porkbun.com/products/domains ?
pep.that
debaclethey don't have all TLDs it seems, e.g. I don't see .berlin nor .coop
ZashWe do have xmpp.com too, right?
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Ge0rGControversial idea: rebrand from Jabber and/or XMPP to a new, unused name where we can have all the domains under all the TLDs
pep.except .org? (I mean, it's going to be ok for the forseable future probably)
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!XSF_Martin> Controversial idea: rebrand from Jabber and/or XMPP to a new, unused name where we can have all the domains under all the TLDs
Suggestions?
ZashZimpy
!XSF_MartinAll TLDs are probably only available if you let pwgen do the renaming.
nyco> Zimpy
Zimpy
!XSF_MartinChitchat is not available: https://porkbun.com/checkout/search?q=chitchat&tlds=&idnLanguage=&csrf_pb=f2665357caa02f1977035bb66ab5e481
!XSF_MartinWhat does zimpy mean? Does it have a meaning?
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ZashBased on some attempt at pronouncing XMPP I think
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SeveZimpy is the best name
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Ge0rG👍
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debacleI prefer Zompy - not yet dead!
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Ge0rGZompie, to make it tastier
ZashBrains
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jonas’not dead again
ZashNot Dead Yet Protocol
pep.Yet another Not Dead Yet Protocol
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calvinHmmm. So I'm implementing an XMPP server, and I'm at the point where I'm sending messages between clients... I'm testing it with gajim (the XML console is really useful for this)... I can see incomming messages in the XML console:
```
<!-- Incoming Wed 27 Nov 2019 01:21:51 PM EST -->
<message from="test@localhost/gajim.CD9NEZ09" to="foo@localhost" xmlns="jabber:client">
<body>test</body>
<origin-id id="bfcefe01-4573-4e4b-95c0-4d06c61f431a" xmlns="urn:xmpp:sid:0" />
<request xmlns="urn:xmpp:receipts" />
<thread>qcWrRbPgEZtEWtRxcswgkwhDFpAFZiPR</thread>
</message>
```
And gajim even seems to reply with receipts... But It doesn't actually display the message received in the chat window. Am I missing something that's necessary in the message stanza? Or maybe some setup (e.g., right now I don't handle presence or anything?)
Any thoughts on what *might* be going on, I'm a little uncertain.
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Link Mauvecalvin, the message isn’t of type="chat", so Gajim wouldn’t display it in a chat window.
calvinAh!
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calvinLink Mauve, wow, thank you so much. It would have taken me forever to figure out that I was silently dropping the type attribute >_<.
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Link MauveNo problem. :)
Link MauveOut of curiousity, what are you writing a new server for?
Link MauveIs it free software already?
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calvinLink Mauve, class project. Writing a server in Haskell. They gave us a private repo to work in, but I'll publish it after the class probably.
Link MauveOh nice!
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calvin(not that it'll be pretty or super functional, but I'd maybe like to hack on it until it's fully functional)
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Link Mauve(Still very nice to have another functional (as in fp) server around. :p)
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calvinYeah, I think a Haskell server has a chance of being very cool :).
pep.+1 for functional, and more interested people :)