XSF Discussion - 2020-02-17


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  241. jonas’ does someone want to double-check whether I’m right to say "fix your deployment" here: https://github.com/horazont/aioxmpp/issues/324 ?
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  244. Daniel Yes
  245. Daniel I mean it would probably also work if he just sets localhost as a hostname
  246. Daniel Not sure if and how aioxmpp supports that
  247. jonas’ the setup is weird
  248. jonas’ I think it’s truly remote, but still uses 127.0.0.1 as JID domain
  249. jonas’ told them before that that’s a bad idea
  250. jonas’ we had a very fun thread here already: https://github.com/horazont/aioxmpp/issues/322
  251. Daniel I mean in any case your verifier isn't wrong
  252. jonas’ I wanted to say that their certificate isn’t for localhost, but for some real internet name
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  254. Daniel Though in Conversations it'll accept the hostname as well when you specify it somewhere
  255. Daniel The important bit is that the user entered it somewhere
  256. jonas’ yeah
  257. jonas’ I could implement that, and I probably should at some point, but it’s a bit tricky (as outlined in my comment) because the way how you can override the hostname is also the way aioxmpp for example stores the SM recnonection point.
  258. jonas’ and that’s where the security implications of trusting the hostnames in that list become slightly more tricky
  259. Daniel Yeah for a library you can also probably just have the user inject their own verifier
  260. Daniel You need that anyway if you want to accept self signed certs
  261. jonas’ oh, they could do that, too. but that’s much crazier.
  262. jonas’ and easy to get wrong
  263. jonas’ so I hesitate to recommend that
  264. Daniel Well given the scope of their crazy deployment...
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  266. jonas’ hm, the hostname does indeed not resolve
  267. jonas’ I mean if it’s purely local, they can just set no_verify=True and call it a day
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  270. jonas’ FWIW, for self-signed certs we have the Pinning verifier built-in. It allows for a callback to check the certificate; since that’s interactive it’s disabled by default.
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  272. Daniel Oh. It's a Cisco thing
  273. Daniel Obviously
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  275. ralphm pubsub.127.0.0.1. I like it :-D
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  279. jonas’ yeah…
  280. Ellenor Malik About the inbox XEP on omemo file upload. They're planning on changing the initialisation vector.
  281. jonas’ I don’t know of an inbox XEP on OMEMO file upload
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  285. vanitasvitae jonas’: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/blob/master/inbox/omemo-media-sharing.xml
  286. vanitasvitae This one probably?
  287. Daniel Which is not changing the length of the Iv by the way
  288. jonas’ which is also irrelevant
  289. jonas’ because it was rejected
  290. jonas’ (irrelevant standards-wise, either way)
  291. Daniel It's somewhat relevant because tons of people are using it
  292. jonas’ yeah
  293. Daniel I mean maybe not for the xsf
  294. jonas’ but it’s not changing anything, it hasn’t been touched in a while
  295. Daniel #SuperInbox
  296. Ge0rG Everything is horrible
  297. ralphm Welcome to software!
  298. Zash s/software/humanity/
  299. Zash Errare humanum est.
  300. Daniel It's not though
  301. ralphm ,perseverare autem diabolicum.
  302. ralphm , perseverare autem diabolicum.
  303. Daniel Is that the new for a new hot sauce?
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  306. ralphm It is the continuation of the saying, that translates as "but to persist (in error), is diabolical".
  307. ralphm Make of that what you will.
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  372. Ellenor Malik ralphm: isn't there a rule against languages which are not English?
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  375. ralphm L.S. I'd make an exception for a bit of Latin now and then. I.e. languages like English, French, Dutch, etc. are full of Latin phrases. E.g. the one above.
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  377. Ge0rG There is also a certain kind of people who are full of Latin phrases.
  378. Ellenor Malik medecins
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  381. ralphm Ge0rG: I'll use simpler words.
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  406. jonas’ I need someone to remind me out-of-band that I need to reapply.
  407. jonas’ I totally missed the emails on members@, I’m going to set a calendar reminder, but I know I often unintentionally ignore/miss those, too
  408. MattJ Oh, thanks
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  411. jonas’ Daniel, too
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  414. Zash Roadtrip‽
  415. pep. I'd be up for another roadtrip!
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  421. Ge0rG jonas’: do you consider xmpp as in band or out of band?
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