XSF Discussion - 2020-02-20

Thanks pep.

Board meeting time.

Seve ralphm MattJ pep. ?

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Here!

We have quorum, and there's an item, let's start?

sure

go for it pep. 🙂

Ok

1. Who do we have / Agenda

- https://trello.com/c/8Q5XQWks/388-clean-up-editor-team-memberships

I've nothing to add.

Here, nothing to add

2. Cleanup editor team membership

Jonas raised this "issue"

There are lots of people in the editor team that are and have been inactive for some time now

(agenda proposal: can I test authentication of mailing list by attempting to impersonate board member on board@ mailing list with a "test" message, not priority)

We're talking about these six? https://xmpp.org/about/xsf/editor-team

I imagine so, yes

jonas’ reasoning makes sense to me. My suggestion would be for the team lead to reach out to members, see if they're interested in retaining their membership, and act accordingly.

My proposal would be to simply ping each individual

Guus, yes. Effectively it's mostly jonas though. I joined not so long ago and I helped for some time. I know JC is helping here and there

I trust people to step down who don't feel they are up to working on the team

I'd warn against removing power to help from people that do help, if only occasionally, but I'm happy for the team to make that judgement themselves.

MattJ, I'm not entirely sure about that, but if we ping them yes that seems more likely

I also doubt that's an issue of the editor team alone

pep., I mean a simple "Do you still want to be on the Editors team?" is going to work 99.9% of the time

Yes, likely so

Infra also has.. 8 person

Also, there are no guarantees that the website is up to date

Let's have the leads of the teams that are interesting in reducing the size of teams initiate this - not board.

Zash more reason for team leads to drive this.

as MattJ mentioned, it should be fairly simple

Guus, *is* there a team lead for editors?

> Members of the work team shall be selected by the XMPP Council after a call for volunteers from among the XSF membership, and shall be approved by the XSF Board of Directors.

I doubt there is an official one. But de facto I'd say jonas’ :)

MattJ I assumed every WT had a lead - I might be very wrong - but as jonas’ is a defacto team lead...

I don't know if it's fair to dump extra undefined responsibility on Jonas as a reward for all the work he's been doing :)

:D

We can start a which hu^W^Wthread on the list.

Bweh. Anyone can ask people of they're interested in remaining in the team.

Agreed

that takes less effort than what it takes to have the discussion we're having now 🙂

And this should probably be somewhat automated

We may want to update the charter though to indicate some process for removal, it essentially only says how to add people to the team

Having people renew their affiliation to teams or sth(?)

But e.g. if council were to review annually, that would suffice

let's not overcomplicate things

council?

the nuisance is minor

pep., the charter says council are responsible for selecting team members, yes

Ah, editors

Yes

I'm also fine with not over-complicating things, I can ping people who are listed on the team currently

Ok. let's just do this for now

we can also have one blanket email to the list

"Please people who are inactive and not following the life of the XSF, show yourself" :P

"if you're a listed member of the team, please consider if you want to remain listed <for reasons Jonas wrote down>"

Problem: the inactive people may not be paying attention :)

Those on the editors list are

I did send out a 'who's still active?' mail a year ago, I just didn't get around to purging.

Kev, Peter, someone named pep. ...

jc is, flow is.

Kev do you have the results somewhere?

we might as well start with those.

Probably, somewhere.

Won't be digging it out this week, at least though, I'm on leave.

Results from a year ago may no longer be accurate, so we might as well just do it again

Agreed.

Ok MattJ proposed to ping people directly to see if they're still ok. MattJ are you ok taking this on?

lets do that.

I'll present a list of inactive people by next week

One way or another

I suspect the list of people who replied last time, plus anyone who's joined since, is probably fine, but w/e.

Bored now :)

Thanks

moparisthebest, I'd say your item is for iteam

3. AOB?

moparisthebest, representing iteam then, I'm fine with you sending a test email

hey iteam is hyjacking our meeting! 🙂

I have no AOB

No AOB here

Ok let's close then.

Thanks all

Thanks!

moparisthebest, please just make clear in the email itself that it is not authentic

by e.g. linking to this discussion

thanks, yea a link to this is a good idea, I was definitely going for "test this is only a test, please ignore" etc :)

I don't think you particularly need authorization to try this kind of things out. I already know you can make me say weird things via email by impersonating me :P

That's why I sign my emails ✏

right, well if impersonation is possible, anyone can do it rather anonymously, I just prefer asking first :)

Yep, I appreciate that :)

Kev, flow: you're both here but offline in my roster (I daren't dig into why) - but in case you didn't get my message, feel free to let me know here whether you'd like to continue as a member of the Editors team

Kev: How do we get you to renew your cert?

MattJ: Aye.

Zash: Time Turner?

Needs me to bother with changing everything around so that the webserver and XMPP server run on the same machine, so I can LE web stuff and use the certs for XMPP.

As I don't particularly want to keep paying for certs.

I'm quite happy with DNS based challenges FWIW.

Kev, so they don't have to be on the same machine, and the 2 machines don't even need to communicate if you go this way (requires 1-time change to your HTTP server) https://github.com/acmesh-official/acme.sh/wiki/Stateless-Mode

but yes, I also recently switched to DNS based challenges instead because I wanted wildcard certs

(*) if you run nginx

jonas’, I assume any other webserver could do similar?

maybe you'd need some script/cgi for some

not sure how to make apache return a static string, but I guess I’d simply put the file somewhere

ah, no, it needs to include something from the request, meh

yep, copy a bit of the request into the response

and you don't have to use acme.sh with this, any acme client with http challenge support (all of them) works

https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/894#event-3056122474 hah github. "This PR fixes xsf/xeps#894 for smack-omemo." and poof the issue on an unrelated repo is closed. I'm not sure I like the rules of closing etc.

Probably because flow has rights on both?

what

oh, well I certainly hope so otherwise that's a pretty big (security?) bug

flow does have +w on xeps

he’s an editor after all.

it’s more or less a feature that you can cross-project close issues

but I wasn’t aware that this also holds for PRs

because closing a PR by merging a different one with the keyword "fixes" is somewhat odd

It did say "fixes xsf/xeps#nnnn", so I guess it made sense for someone somewhere to make it do that

you can’t fix a PR

you can fix an issue

you can obsolete a PR

Zash is defending github? 😳

but not fix a PR

it doesn’t make sense and I guess it’s an artifact of PRs and Issues being mostly the same thing on github

(they share the same numberspace for example)

They're all probably aliases for "close(s|d)" tho

since there's no "fixed" issues either, they're closed

https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/members/2020-February/009120.html I just sent this, (scam) proposal to support sprints. Please give feedback

The more you know :D

Stupid Github

> https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/members/2020-February/009120.html I just sent this, (scam) proposal to support sprints. Please give feedback Cool, I thinks thats very good. If thats official and decided I would put it to the wiki at least. maybe also the website