XSF Discussion - 2020-02-21


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  109. Ellenor Malik Kev: use a dns challenge
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  158. dwd Daniel and Guus's emails on '198 almost made me spit my tea over my keyboard.
  159. dwd But also, yeah, Pando is 100% mobile at the moment and uses 198 resumption because Hospital Wifi is even worse than Guus's parents'.
  160. Kev That sounds like a pretty unanimous "I should be using DNS challenges". I'll look into it when I have some cycles - which is certainly not this week. Today is "playing Gloomhaven all day before doing night two of the show" day.
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  162. jonas’ Yes, you should be using DNS challenge
  163. Kev 👍
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  211. Guus dwd, if Pando is interested in selling my Parents' wifi to their customers as an upgrade, let me know.
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  215. jonas’ I wonder what would happen if I made a MUC roon service *send* a presence-join to another MUC room
  216. jonas’ from playing the scenario in my head, this might end up with a very bare bones bridge between the rooms
  217. jonas’ all messages from the respectively "remote" room will appear under the same nickname
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  219. fippo dmuc or fmuc probably have lengthy xml examples for that
  220. jonas’ are they based on that pattern?
  221. Zash Yes
  222. Zash At least one of them
  223. jonas’ interesting
  224. jonas’ I'd like to have a read-only aggregate feed of all the XSF MUCs and I was wondering on how to implement that
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  228. Guus jonas’ what you're suggesting would affect all users of the MUCs. Maybe aggregrate through archiving instead?
  229. Zash Poll MAM? Hm
  230. jonas’ Guus: sure, I didn't mean to *implement* it that way
  231. jonas’ it just crossed my mind while thinking about iz
  232. jonas’ it just crossed my mind while thinking about it
  233. Guus like fippo, what you suggested made me think of XEP-0289
  234. Guus should be feasible.
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  251. dwd jonas’, Don't you end up with FMUC, sort of?
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  255. dwd jonas’, But also, it's unclear to me you could hold an archive of someone else's room within GDPR. Looks very sketchy on that basis.
  256. moparisthebest so just have someone in US or UK do it
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  259. dwd moparisthebest, UK is covered by GDPR anyway, but besides, it's not quite the point.
  260. Guus mopar might be referring to a news snippet that I've read this morning
  261. dwd Guus, Google thing? Yeah. Unclear WTF is happening as usual.
  262. Guus something about the <something> moving data from ireland to the US to no longer need to be compliant with privacy legislation post brexit.
  263. dwd Guus, But for now, at least, DPA-2018 covers us for GDPR under the same regime as GDPR.
  264. moparisthebest laws aside, I'm not sure how someone can post something in a public channel open to anyone and reasonably assume one of those members might not keep+share it
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  266. jonas’ dwd: if the room is public I don't see a gdpr issue
  267. jonas’ the data was "manifestly made public" IMO
  268. jonas’ also, I'd probably only keep archives for sync purposes and otherwise only relay live data
  269. moparisthebest that seems right, room owner is making it available for download for anyone on the internet to grab already
  270. dwd jonas’, Would it still be subject to a SAR, etc? I think probably, and in addition, correction rights etc might exist.
  271. jonas’ dwd: probably. hence only keep sync archives
  272. jonas’ then there is a technical reason for non-deletion and correction can be done by the user through (ab-)use of LMC
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  352. jonas’ do folks think it’d be useful to announce editor messages in this channel, too? (in addition to standards@)
  353. lovetox jonas’, do you plan changes on the muclumbus http api?
  354. jonas’ lovetox, no
  355. lovetox great
  356. lovetox and the xmpp api will migrate to the xep you just propsed i guess?
  357. jonas’ yes
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  361. jonas’ does anyone know if we (Editors) need Board and/or Council Approval for this? https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/896/files
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  363. Guus I don't know, but I'd be surprised. This is a change to tooling, not so much to published specifications.
  364. jonas’ it’s changing how we suggest people write their XEPs tho
  365. jonas’ xep-template.xml is a suggestion
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  369. Guus sure - but it doesn't affect the actual process of acceptance of the XEP.
  370. Guus for that, we still have Council.
  371. Guus Do previous changes to that file make reference to approval of anyone?
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  389. jonas’ nope
  390. MattJ Go for it. If you want a clear conscience, just post to standards@ about the update
  391. jonas’ going for it
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