XSF Discussion - 2020-02-24


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  60. jonas’ Zash, quite far
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  85. edhelas for the XMPP Newsletter submission, you can mention Movim 0.17 https://nl.movim.eu/?node/pubsub.movim.eu/Movim/87633da7-3963-4923-aabc-54ac5f6ad1d8 :)
  86. pep. edhelas, https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XMPP_Newsletter_March_2020
  87. pep. add it here
  88. pep. it is already
  89. edhelas thanks :)
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  91. Guus edhelas what's the rationale for the versioning scheme? I'd say Movim is quite mature. a 0.x release does not quite represent that.
  92. Guus I wonder how many potential users dismiss it simply because it's very low version number.
  93. Zash Hey now
  94. Zash https://0ver.org/
  95. pep. What do versions mean anyway..
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  97. Guus Zash. Nice. The rest of the world does not agree.
  98. Guus pep. if they don't mean anything, you better use them as marketing tools and have _some_ value.
  99. pep. And then users start expecting things that I'm not planning to give
  100. edhelas Guus yeah for now I'm keeping the 0.x thing, I'll maybe move to a 1.0 one day 🤷
  101. pep. "oh it's 1.0, it must be awesome and without ANY bugs and it's STABLE and it's going to be supporting for YEARS"
  102. Zash Users don't even see the 0., people say "Prosody 11.3" all the time, to my great annoyance
  103. pep. "oh it's 1.0, it must be awesome and without ANY bugs and it's STABLE and it's going to be supported for YEARS"
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  106. Guus pep. yes, if you want to keep expectations low, I strongly advice to keep your version number below zero.
  107. pep. Guus, I don't care about numbers, they're just numbers
  108. pep. I respect semver :)
  109. Guus Zash you're being engaged by people that already use Prosody. I wonder how many users you're not engaging with, because of a perceived immaturity of the project, simply because of something as silly as a low version number.
  110. pep. I could also release a major version every commit I'd be semver compatible
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  112. pep. Also, we probably don't live in the same world. 0.x are everywhere
  113. Guus in your dev bubble, maybe.
  114. Guus consumers world? not so much.
  115. pep. Consumer meaning.. companies afraid of change?
  116. Guus rather: companies with an insanely high marketing budget that they've used to know what works and what does not.
  117. pep. Ah well, if marketing knows what they do then we're saved :)
  118. Zash Do those even have version numbers anywhere where users see them anymore?
  119. edhelas Remove the 0. Boom Movim 17 🤩
  120. pep. Zash, most likely codenames?
  121. Guus IOS, Android, Windows, MacOS
  122. edhelas I do use codenames personnaly
  123. Guus edhelas - not the worst idea.
  124. Zash Chrome 80, Firefox 76?
  125. Guus Chrome auto-updates
  126. pep. Zash, wrong, 80.0.3987.106
  127. Guus making distinct version numbers of less importance.
  128. Guus (to the average user)
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  187. moparisthebest are you talking about https://0ver.org/
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  191. Guus "ZeroVer is satire, please do not use it. We sincerely hope no project release schedules were harmed as a result of this humble attempt at programmer humor."
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