jcbrandYou can now sign up for the newsletter: https://xmpp.org/newsletter.html
Link MauveWho is this tinyletter.com that is requiring me to tell Google what is a shop and what isn’t?
jcbrandLink Mauve: I look forward to you setting up a FOSS newsletter service for us
Link MauveAre there logs of the various alternatives you looked at and how you chose this one?
SamWhitedPlease don't make this about open source ideology. Let's just actually get something done and have a decent newsletter.
SamWhitedThis is the comm teams domain and their choice, if we nit pick and bikeshed every decision they make we won't have a comm team for long.
Link MauveI asked a simple question, it may be loaded but I’m not objecting to anything.
jcbrandI mentioned here and in iteam that I'm going to use TinyLetter, which is what I use for one of my personal sites as well. Mostly because they allow unlimited subscribers at no cost
Link MauveOk.
SaltyBonesLink Mauve, the good thing is, you don't have to sign up. You will be able to just look at the website...of course you can also just look at the wiki since you're in here already ;)
Link MauveSaltyBones, well, I’d rather subscribe than poll a shitty archive page, which gives the exact same amount of information to the mitm. :p
jcbrandLink Mauve: FWIW, I originally thought about rolling my own when I needed a newsletter for my own site, but gave up when I realised how much time and effort it would take
jcbrandGotta pick your battles
Link MauveSure. :)
jcbrandGuus just made me aware, the link to past newsletter entries returns a 404, that's because there aren't any
SeveWhat? That was fast, jcbrand thanks
SeveI was checking that too :D
jcbrandI thought Pelican would show an empty page, but alas...
jcbrandI'll hide it for now
jcbrandSeve: I want to send out the newsletter on Friday or otherwise on Monday
jcbrandSo I pushed a bit to get this done
jcbrandAnd then send it out once a month I think
jcbrandif there's enough content to justify more frequent releases, then we could send out more frequently
SeveI'm not sure if we will be able to get something once a month, but would be great
jcbrandI think we will
jcbrandAll the stuff in the current newsletter is from February I believe
jcbrandThere's quite a bit (spoiler alert): https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/blob/master/content/posts/newsletter/2018-03.md
Link MauveIs there a plan to let random people (from here?) give links they think would be nice for the next newsletter?
Link MauveOk, so we need a wiki account, but that’s it.
Link MauveThanks!
jcbrandYou could also paste here, but there's no 100% guarantee that it'll be noticed
SeveYou can paste it here
SeveI will add them
jcbrandThanks Seve
SaltyBonesLink Mauve, from experience, just sending them to jc also works ;)
SaltyBonesah, should have read the rest of the discussion m)
SeveI was going to ask if it would be interesting if we translate the newsletter (It's not that important if we link to sites that are not translated)
But since it's a newsletter, we cannot do that, I guess.
jcbrandThat's a premium service, only for you SaltyBones
SeveWhat a luxury, SaltyBones.
jcbrandConcerning non-English content... I do want to include it. Currently there's one German article and it links to a Google Translate English version and the original German version
jcbrandSo that also applies to French Link Mauve
Link MauveMaybe we could partner with LinuxFR to provide a simultaneous translation in French.
jcbrandBut then we need to maintain two newsletters
Link MauveThey have the tools and community to help with that, they’ve done it for the release of Prosody 0.10 for instance.
jcbrandWhere do people sign up for the french one?
jcbrandWe could link to the french one from the xmpp.org/newsletter.html
SeveThe thing is I can translate for spanish and catalan, but that's the problem, having newsletters for each of them. I'm not sure.
jcbrandConcerning something else... analytics. I think other newsletters include a URL parameter in the links to indicate that themselves as the referrer, so that sites can see that traffic is driven to them from the newsletter
jcbrandDoes anyone know more about how best to do this?
SaltyBonesDoesn't tinyletter do that for you?
jcbrandPerhaps, I actually don't know
SaltyBonesOr do you mean checking where other links come from?
SaltyBonesOh..
SaltyBonesnow I get it
jcbrandNo, I mean adding the referrer to the outgoing links
SaltyBonesnevermind ;)
jcbrandTwitter also does it
mathieui(and I hate it with the intensity of a thousand suns)
winfried+1 ;-)
jcbrandmathieui why?
jcbrandIt's a good advertisement for the newsletter IMO
mathieuiwell, I don’t like being tracked :p, but I understand the rationale
mathieuiI think it’s utm_source or something
mathieuiprobably website-specific though
SaltyBonesmathieui, so turn of referrer?
SaltyBonesmathieui, so turn off referrer?
jcbrandYes, utm_source... I've only noticed it in URLs, I don't really know how it works. Is it really tracking though?
SamWhitedYou're not being tracked, no one knows who you are, just that 30 people showed up from Google and 10 from xmpp.org, or wherever
SaltyBonesI mean this no pixel or whatever tracking :)
Link MauveSaltyBones, it’s in the URL, so it gets copied even if you didn’t click on a link manually.
SaltyBonesLink Mauve, what do you mean if you didn't click on it manually? How else would you click on it?
jcbrandautomatically ;)
winfriedBTW I got confirmation from the company who made it, that I can write a whitepaper and a blog about the use of XMPP at the Belgic emergency services
Link MauveSaltyBones, I mean, referrer is an HTTP header that is only present if you click on a link from your browser.
jcbrandwinfried: nice
Sevewinfried, that's super awesome!
mathieuiI’m not sure if adding the parameters manually to urls will work, though
mathieuimaybe ganalytics require the website to create campaigns for that
SaltyBoneswinfried, awesome!
jcbrandPiwik/Matomo also looks for utm_source https://matomo.org/faq/general/faq_119/