XSF Communications Team - 2018-02-27

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  125. jcbrand Good news everyone!
  126. jcbrand You can now sign up for the newsletter: https://xmpp.org/newsletter.html
  127. Link Mauve Who is this tinyletter.com that is requiring me to tell Google what is a shop and what isn’t?
  128. jcbrand Link Mauve: I look forward to you setting up a FOSS newsletter service for us
  129. Link Mauve Are there logs of the various alternatives you looked at and how you chose this one?
  130. SamWhited Please don't make this about open source ideology. Let's just actually get something done and have a decent newsletter.
  131. SamWhited This is the comm teams domain and their choice, if we nit pick and bikeshed every decision they make we won't have a comm team for long.
  132. Link Mauve I asked a simple question, it may be loaded but I’m not objecting to anything.
  133. jcbrand I mentioned here and in iteam that I'm going to use TinyLetter, which is what I use for one of my personal sites as well. Mostly because they allow unlimited subscribers at no cost
  134. Link Mauve Ok.
  135. SaltyBones Link Mauve, the good thing is, you don't have to sign up. You will be able to just look at the website...of course you can also just look at the wiki since you're in here already ;)
  136. Link Mauve SaltyBones, well, I’d rather subscribe than poll a shitty archive page, which gives the exact same amount of information to the mitm. :p
  137. jcbrand Link Mauve: FWIW, I originally thought about rolling my own when I needed a newsletter for my own site, but gave up when I realised how much time and effort it would take
  138. jcbrand Gotta pick your battles
  139. Link Mauve Sure. :)
  140. jcbrand Guus just made me aware, the link to past newsletter entries returns a 404, that's because there aren't any
  141. Seve What? That was fast, jcbrand thanks
  142. Seve I was checking that too :D
  143. jcbrand I thought Pelican would show an empty page, but alas...
  144. jcbrand I'll hide it for now
  145. jcbrand Seve: I want to send out the newsletter on Friday or otherwise on Monday
  146. jcbrand So I pushed a bit to get this done
  147. jcbrand And then send it out once a month I think
  148. jcbrand if there's enough content to justify more frequent releases, then we could send out more frequently
  149. Seve I'm not sure if we will be able to get something once a month, but would be great
  150. jcbrand I think we will
  151. jcbrand All the stuff in the current newsletter is from February I believe
  152. jcbrand There's quite a bit (spoiler alert): https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/blob/master/content/posts/newsletter/2018-03.md
  153. Link Mauve Is there a plan to let random people (from here?) give links they think would be nice for the next newsletter?
  154. jcbrand Link Mauve: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/News_and_Articles_for_the_next_XMPP_Newsletter
  155. Link Mauve Ok, so we need a wiki account, but that’s it.
  156. Link Mauve Thanks!
  157. jcbrand You could also paste here, but there's no 100% guarantee that it'll be noticed
  158. Seve You can paste it here
  159. Seve I will add them
  160. jcbrand Thanks Seve
  161. SaltyBones Link Mauve, from experience, just sending them to jc also works ;)
  162. SaltyBones ah, should have read the rest of the discussion m)
  163. Seve I was going to ask if it would be interesting if we translate the newsletter (It's not that important if we link to sites that are not translated) But since it's a newsletter, we cannot do that, I guess.
  164. jcbrand That's a premium service, only for you SaltyBones
  165. Seve What a luxury, SaltyBones.
  166. jcbrand Concerning non-English content... I do want to include it. Currently there's one German article and it links to a Google Translate English version and the original German version
  167. jcbrand So that also applies to French Link Mauve
  168. Link Mauve Maybe we could partner with LinuxFR to provide a simultaneous translation in French.
  169. jcbrand But then we need to maintain two newsletters
  170. Link Mauve They have the tools and community to help with that, they’ve done it for the release of Prosody 0.10 for instance.
  171. jcbrand Where do people sign up for the french one?
  172. jcbrand We could link to the french one from the xmpp.org/newsletter.html
  173. Seve The thing is I can translate for spanish and catalan, but that's the problem, having newsletters for each of them. I'm not sure.
  174. jcbrand Concerning something else... analytics. I think other newsletters include a URL parameter in the links to indicate that themselves as the referrer, so that sites can see that traffic is driven to them from the newsletter
  175. jcbrand Does anyone know more about how best to do this?
  176. SaltyBones Doesn't tinyletter do that for you?
  177. jcbrand Perhaps, I actually don't know
  178. SaltyBones Or do you mean checking where other links come from?
  179. SaltyBones Oh..
  180. SaltyBones now I get it
  181. jcbrand No, I mean adding the referrer to the outgoing links
  182. SaltyBones nevermind ;)
  183. jcbrand Twitter also does it
  184. mathieui (and I hate it with the intensity of a thousand suns)
  185. winfried +1 ;-)
  186. jcbrand mathieui why?
  187. jcbrand It's a good advertisement for the newsletter IMO
  188. mathieui well, I don’t like being tracked :p, but I understand the rationale
  189. mathieui I think it’s utm_source or something
  190. mathieui probably website-specific though
  191. SaltyBones mathieui, so turn of referrer?
  192. SaltyBones mathieui, so turn off referrer?
  193. jcbrand Yes, utm_source... I've only noticed it in URLs, I don't really know how it works. Is it really tracking though?
  194. SamWhited You're not being tracked, no one knows who you are, just that 30 people showed up from Google and 10 from xmpp.org, or wherever
  195. SaltyBones I mean this no pixel or whatever tracking :)
  196. Link Mauve SaltyBones, it’s in the URL, so it gets copied even if you didn’t click on a link manually.
  197. mathieui jcbrand, https://support.google.com/analytics/answer/1033863
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  199. SaltyBones Link Mauve, what do you mean if you didn't click on it manually? How else would you click on it?
  200. jcbrand automatically ;)
  201. winfried BTW I got confirmation from the company who made it, that I can write a whitepaper and a blog about the use of XMPP at the Belgic emergency services
  202. Link Mauve SaltyBones, I mean, referrer is an HTTP header that is only present if you click on a link from your browser.
  203. jcbrand winfried: nice
  204. Seve winfried, that's super awesome!
  205. mathieui I’m not sure if adding the parameters manually to urls will work, though
  206. mathieui maybe ganalytics require the website to create campaigns for that
  207. SaltyBones winfried, awesome!
  208. jcbrand Piwik/Matomo also looks for utm_source https://matomo.org/faq/general/faq_119/
  209. mathieui ok, nice
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  211. SaltyBones interesting
  212. SaltyBones things I never knew existed ;)
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  223. SaltyBones https://twitter.com/ivucica/status/968538897604075521
  224. jc SaltyBones: already added 😎
  225. jc SaltyBones:you'll have to try harder
  226. SaltyBones hey, i'm a crossposting bot that pastes stuff in here
  227. SaltyBones you're a crossposting bot pasting stuff to the wiki from anywhere + here
  228. SaltyBones race conditions happen
  229. SaltyBones ...that should be a bumper sticker :p
  230. jcbrand "race conditions happen" would be an awesome bumper sticker
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