XSF Communications Team - 2018-02-27

  1. jcbrand

    Good news everyone!

  2. jcbrand

    You can now sign up for the newsletter: https://xmpp.org/newsletter.html

  3. Link Mauve

    Who is this tinyletter.com that is requiring me to tell Google what is a shop and what isn’t?

  4. jcbrand

    Link Mauve: I look forward to you setting up a FOSS newsletter service for us

  5. Link Mauve

    Are there logs of the various alternatives you looked at and how you chose this one?

  6. SamWhited

    Please don't make this about open source ideology. Let's just actually get something done and have a decent newsletter.

  7. SamWhited

    This is the comm teams domain and their choice, if we nit pick and bikeshed every decision they make we won't have a comm team for long.

  8. Link Mauve

    I asked a simple question, it may be loaded but I’m not objecting to anything.

  9. jcbrand

    I mentioned here and in iteam that I'm going to use TinyLetter, which is what I use for one of my personal sites as well. Mostly because they allow unlimited subscribers at no cost

  10. Link Mauve


  11. SaltyBones

    Link Mauve, the good thing is, you don't have to sign up. You will be able to just look at the website...of course you can also just look at the wiki since you're in here already ;)

  12. Link Mauve

    SaltyBones, well, I’d rather subscribe than poll a shitty archive page, which gives the exact same amount of information to the mitm. :p

  13. jcbrand

    Link Mauve: FWIW, I originally thought about rolling my own when I needed a newsletter for my own site, but gave up when I realised how much time and effort it would take

  14. jcbrand

    Gotta pick your battles

  15. Link Mauve

    Sure. :)

  16. jcbrand

    Guus just made me aware, the link to past newsletter entries returns a 404, that's because there aren't any

  17. Seve

    What? That was fast, jcbrand thanks

  18. Seve

    I was checking that too :D

  19. jcbrand

    I thought Pelican would show an empty page, but alas...

  20. jcbrand

    I'll hide it for now

  21. jcbrand

    Seve: I want to send out the newsletter on Friday or otherwise on Monday

  22. jcbrand

    So I pushed a bit to get this done

  23. jcbrand

    And then send it out once a month I think

  24. jcbrand

    if there's enough content to justify more frequent releases, then we could send out more frequently

  25. Seve

    I'm not sure if we will be able to get something once a month, but would be great

  26. jcbrand

    I think we will

  27. jcbrand

    All the stuff in the current newsletter is from February I believe

  28. jcbrand

    There's quite a bit (spoiler alert): https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/blob/master/content/posts/newsletter/2018-03.md

  29. Link Mauve

    Is there a plan to let random people (from here?) give links they think would be nice for the next newsletter?

  30. jcbrand

    Link Mauve: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/News_and_Articles_for_the_next_XMPP_Newsletter

  31. Link Mauve

    Ok, so we need a wiki account, but that’s it.

  32. Link Mauve


  33. jcbrand

    You could also paste here, but there's no 100% guarantee that it'll be noticed

  34. Seve

    You can paste it here

  35. Seve

    I will add them

  36. jcbrand

    Thanks Seve

  37. SaltyBones

    Link Mauve, from experience, just sending them to jc also works ;)

  38. SaltyBones

    ah, should have read the rest of the discussion m)

  39. Seve

    I was going to ask if it would be interesting if we translate the newsletter (It's not that important if we link to sites that are not translated) But since it's a newsletter, we cannot do that, I guess.

  40. jcbrand

    That's a premium service, only for you SaltyBones

  41. Seve

    What a luxury, SaltyBones.

  42. jcbrand

    Concerning non-English content... I do want to include it. Currently there's one German article and it links to a Google Translate English version and the original German version

  43. jcbrand

    So that also applies to French Link Mauve

  44. Link Mauve

    Maybe we could partner with LinuxFR to provide a simultaneous translation in French.

  45. jcbrand

    But then we need to maintain two newsletters

  46. Link Mauve

    They have the tools and community to help with that, they’ve done it for the release of Prosody 0.10 for instance.

  47. jcbrand

    Where do people sign up for the french one?

  48. jcbrand

    We could link to the french one from the xmpp.org/newsletter.html

  49. Seve

    The thing is I can translate for spanish and catalan, but that's the problem, having newsletters for each of them. I'm not sure.

  50. jcbrand

    Concerning something else... analytics. I think other newsletters include a URL parameter in the links to indicate that themselves as the referrer, so that sites can see that traffic is driven to them from the newsletter

  51. jcbrand

    Does anyone know more about how best to do this?

  52. SaltyBones

    Doesn't tinyletter do that for you?

  53. jcbrand

    Perhaps, I actually don't know

  54. SaltyBones

    Or do you mean checking where other links come from?

  55. SaltyBones


  56. SaltyBones

    now I get it

  57. jcbrand

    No, I mean adding the referrer to the outgoing links

  58. SaltyBones

    nevermind ;)

  59. jcbrand

    Twitter also does it

  60. mathieui

    (and I hate it with the intensity of a thousand suns)

  61. winfried

    +1 ;-)

  62. jcbrand

    mathieui why?

  63. jcbrand

    It's a good advertisement for the newsletter IMO

  64. mathieui

    well, I don’t like being tracked :p, but I understand the rationale

  65. mathieui

    I think it’s utm_source or something

  66. mathieui

    probably website-specific though

  67. SaltyBones

    mathieui, so turn of referrer?

  68. SaltyBones

    mathieui, so turn off referrer?

  69. jcbrand

    Yes, utm_source... I've only noticed it in URLs, I don't really know how it works. Is it really tracking though?

  70. SamWhited

    You're not being tracked, no one knows who you are, just that 30 people showed up from Google and 10 from xmpp.org, or wherever

  71. SaltyBones

    I mean this no pixel or whatever tracking :)

  72. Link Mauve

    SaltyBones, it’s in the URL, so it gets copied even if you didn’t click on a link manually.

  73. mathieui

    jcbrand, https://support.google.com/analytics/answer/1033863

  74. SaltyBones

    Link Mauve, what do you mean if you didn't click on it manually? How else would you click on it?

  75. jcbrand

    automatically ;)

  76. winfried

    BTW I got confirmation from the company who made it, that I can write a whitepaper and a blog about the use of XMPP at the Belgic emergency services

  77. Link Mauve

    SaltyBones, I mean, referrer is an HTTP header that is only present if you click on a link from your browser.

  78. jcbrand

    winfried: nice

  79. Seve

    winfried, that's super awesome!

  80. mathieui

    I’m not sure if adding the parameters manually to urls will work, though

  81. mathieui

    maybe ganalytics require the website to create campaigns for that

  82. SaltyBones

    winfried, awesome!

  83. jcbrand

    Piwik/Matomo also looks for utm_source https://matomo.org/faq/general/faq_119/

  84. mathieui

    ok, nice

  85. SaltyBones


  86. SaltyBones

    things I never knew existed ;)

  87. SaltyBones


  88. jc

    SaltyBones: already added 😎

  89. jc

    SaltyBones:you'll have to try harder

  90. SaltyBones

    hey, i'm a crossposting bot that pastes stuff in here

  91. SaltyBones

    you're a crossposting bot pasting stuff to the wiki from anywhere + here

  92. SaltyBones

    race conditions happen

  93. SaltyBones

    ...that should be a bumper sticker :p

  94. jcbrand

    "race conditions happen" would be an awesome bumper sticker