should I include https://news.jabberfr.org/2019/10/compte-rendu-de-lag-de-jabberfr-du-2019-10-09/ in next newsletter? I'd say no
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Link Mauve
Hi CommTeam, do you have some material targetting users, mostly technical ones who have already heard of Jabber ten years ago?
Link Mauve
This would be to hand out as flyers at the next SCAM event.
Link Mauve
There is already Arc’s server guide 2017, but I was thinking about something more for users.
pep.
Link Mauve, maybe bring this up during today's SCAM meeting. Tbh I'm not sure where this falls
Link Mauve
It falls in ten days.
pep.
I mean I'm not sure this is comm or scam tbh :/
pep.
(also why I'd prefer both together)
Link Mauve
pep., it’s definitely communication.
Link Mauve
Whether it’s for events or not is irrelevant.
pep.
Is it
pep.
So SCAM shouldn't worry about that at all?
pep.
What do we even go to conferences for
Link Mauve
Or maybe it is, dunno, that’s how I understood CommTeam until now.
emus
> Hi CommTeam, do you have some material targetting users, mostly technical ones who have already heard of Jabber ten years ago?
> This would be to hand out as flyers at the next SCAM event.
Awesone idea!
This must go through jabber.ccc.de 😁
Link Mauve
emus, what do you mean?
emus
Link Mauve: I think there are many "old" jabber people pep intends to adress.
and also someone must push that to the Pidgins main page :D
Link Mauve
Note that they might not all be in that case, but that’s for a technical conference.
emus
I just make fun
emus
Still, actively looking for "old" potts might be valuable
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Nÿco
Link Mauve : what do you need?
Nÿco
1. what target(s)?
2. what is (are) the problem(s)?
3. what form/shape?
Link Mauve
Nÿco, see scam@muc.xmpp.org at 16:24:02.
Link Mauve
I’m not totally sure tbh.
Link Mauve
I think the target is technical people, free software people, mostly users?
Nÿco
that's for 1.
Link Mauve
The problem, to get them to use XMPP I guess!
Nÿco
that's 2.
Link Mauve
And the form, I was thinking about a flyer but it could take other forms, I was planning on also doing demos of various clients and depending on how the people interact with me to show them other ones too.
Nÿco
I personally wish to support more the SCAM team than I did in the past
I think the effort is awesome and the outcome is actually excellent
Nÿco
3. flyers or demos, good
Link Mauve
I’d prefer s/or/and/ :)
Nÿco
that's definitely an effort to be led by the commTeam imho, in support of SCAM
Nÿco
ok for the s :)
Link Mauve
That’s also how I understood it until now.
pep.
Nÿco, should I redirect the "We need to find a design/markety person" to commteam then?
pep.
Do you also have a budget?
Nÿco
so the server triptic by Arc is a good base, may be it needs a little update: some info, but mostly a better visual
Link Mauve
Note that ideally we’d have something printed in ten days.
emus
pep., Link Mauve: Where else to you have contact with people which have aciebt ideas about xmpp?
pep.
emus, ?
Nÿco
pep. I don't understand "Nÿco, should I redirect the "We need to find a design/markety person" to commteam then?"
Link Mauve
ancient?
pep.
Nÿco, see scam@
Nÿco
> Do you also have a budget?
nope
and 10 days is too short
Link Mauve
I agree.
pep.
pep.> Action for SCAM before closing, I guess, find somebody that can do design/markety stuff
Nÿco
no time to check scam
emus
Link Mauve: You target people who have old-fashioned ideas about xmpp or?
pep.
Nÿco, sure, 10 days is too short, but we would use these for any other conference afterwards
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Link Mauve
So I was planning on doing something less good than what could be possible, in order to have something at least.
Link Mauve
emus, not only obviously, but many people do remember their Jabber days, using Pidgin some ten years ago and stopping because their contacts also stopped.
Nÿco
for 10-years-fashioned users, I always recommend:
https://www.erlang-solutions.com/blog/welcome-to-the-third-generation-of-instant-messaging-part-1-2.html
https://www.erlang-solutions.com/blog/welcome-to-the-third-generation-of-instant-messaging-part-2-2.html
Link Mauve
XMPP was quite popular amongst free software people in France back then.
Link Mauve
Nÿco, my goal is to make them use it again, using better clients and maintained servers. :)
Link Mauve
Explaining I can do when I see them.
Nÿco
I think it is a wrong target, let them be disappointed
Link Mauve
At least two years ago, there were a lot of them at this conference in Toulouse.
Nÿco
generally, in business/marketing, if the cost of acquisition is 1, then the cost of retention is 10, and the cost to regain lost users is 100
numbers are only orders of magnitude
Nÿco
so, try, you'll get golden feedback, I think that's worth
Link Mauve
Heh. ^^
Link Mauve
Do you think we should skip free software events and instead go to other conferences?
Nÿco
Arc's server guide would benefit from "data", "GDPR", "self-hosting/on-premise", "sovereignty" and such
Nÿco
wat
Nÿco
but Arc's guide in only for the server, meaning it targets admins
Nÿco
for users, I'd rather have a list of maintained, modern, and feature-complete apps
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Nÿco
for the "10-years-ago" XMPP/Jabber users, I'd rather present an offer that's better than what they have switched to...
Nÿco
"better" in their system of thinking
emus
> I think it is a wrong target, let them be disappointed
Still, if they see that there is something new it might bring back expertise which is very important. I wouldnt loose that chance. If they were convince of the idea 10 years back they might still are
Nÿco
and what's new, precisely?
Nÿco
(asking your opinion)
Nÿco
(imho, archiving has changed a lot, as well as UX, that is team chat, but we don't have any modern and feature-complete team chat app in XMPP)
emus
Hard to say from my knowledge.
emus
It`s true. still you can say that XMPP is still there
Nÿco
that's the problem: XMPP is still _there_ :)
with Pidgin, Psi and Gajim
emus
> for 10-years-fashioned users, I always recommend:
> https://www.erlang-solutions.com/blog/welcome-to-the-third-generation-of-instant-messaging-part-1-2.html
> https://www.erlang-solutions.com/blog/welcome-to-the-third-generation-of-instant-messaging-part-2-2.html
The links doesnt work anymore
pep.
they do
emus
🤔
Nÿco
links work for me, I copied-pasted them
emus
will check another browser
Nÿco
maybe too many trackers?
emus
> that's the problem: XMPP is still _there_ :)
> with Pidgin, Psi and Gajim
Don`t be so negative 😀 There is many more: www.omemo.top
I would still give it a try. At least people see see there is something different from Pidgin
emus
Nÿco: adblock
Nÿco
yeah, I thought :/
Nÿco
oh yeah, forgot the obvious e2e, sorry
emus
> oh yeah, forgot the obvious e2e, sorry
You can make it a state of the art information. people can decide on their own
Nÿco
good, good, so indeed, we have some material to wake them up?
emus
I think haveing a chat with georg an Holger will give you more material