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Nÿco
should I include https://news.jabberfr.org/2019/10/compte-rendu-de-lag-de-jabberfr-du-2019-10-09/ in next newsletter? I'd say no
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Link Mauve
Hi CommTeam, do you have some material targetting users, mostly technical ones who have already heard of Jabber ten years ago?
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Link Mauve
This would be to hand out as flyers at the next SCAM event.
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Link Mauve
There is already Arc’s server guide 2017, but I was thinking about something more for users.
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pep.
Link Mauve, maybe bring this up during today's SCAM meeting. Tbh I'm not sure where this falls
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Link Mauve
It falls in ten days.
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pep.
I mean I'm not sure this is comm or scam tbh :/
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pep.
(also why I'd prefer both together)
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Link Mauve
pep., it’s definitely communication.
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Link Mauve
Whether it’s for events or not is irrelevant.
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pep.
Is it
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pep.
So SCAM shouldn't worry about that at all?
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pep.
What do we even go to conferences for
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Link Mauve
Or maybe it is, dunno, that’s how I understood CommTeam until now.
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emus
> Hi CommTeam, do you have some material targetting users, mostly technical ones who have already heard of Jabber ten years ago? > This would be to hand out as flyers at the next SCAM event. Awesone idea! This must go through jabber.ccc.de 😁
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Link Mauve
emus, what do you mean?
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emus
Link Mauve: I think there are many "old" jabber people pep intends to adress. and also someone must push that to the Pidgins main page :D
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Link Mauve
Note that they might not all be in that case, but that’s for a technical conference.
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emus
I just make fun
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emus
Still, actively looking for "old" potts might be valuable
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Nÿco
Link Mauve : what do you need?
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Nÿco
1. what target(s)? 2. what is (are) the problem(s)? 3. what form/shape?
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Link Mauve
Nÿco, see scam@muc.xmpp.org at 16:24:02.
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Link Mauve
I’m not totally sure tbh.
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Link Mauve
I think the target is technical people, free software people, mostly users?
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Nÿco
that's for 1.
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Link Mauve
The problem, to get them to use XMPP I guess!
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Nÿco
that's 2.
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Link Mauve
And the form, I was thinking about a flyer but it could take other forms, I was planning on also doing demos of various clients and depending on how the people interact with me to show them other ones too.
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Nÿco
I personally wish to support more the SCAM team than I did in the past I think the effort is awesome and the outcome is actually excellent
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Nÿco
3. flyers or demos, good
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Link Mauve
I’d prefer s/or/and/ :)
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Nÿco
that's definitely an effort to be led by the commTeam imho, in support of SCAM
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Nÿco
ok for the s :)
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Link Mauve
That’s also how I understood it until now.
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pep.
Nÿco, should I redirect the "We need to find a design/markety person" to commteam then?
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pep.
Do you also have a budget?
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Nÿco
so the server triptic by Arc is a good base, may be it needs a little update: some info, but mostly a better visual
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Link Mauve
Note that ideally we’d have something printed in ten days.
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emus
pep., Link Mauve: Where else to you have contact with people which have aciebt ideas about xmpp?
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pep.
emus, ?
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Nÿco
pep. I don't understand "Nÿco, should I redirect the "We need to find a design/markety person" to commteam then?"
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Link Mauve
ancient?
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pep.
Nÿco, see scam@
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Nÿco
> Do you also have a budget? nope and 10 days is too short
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Link Mauve
I agree.
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pep.
pep.> Action for SCAM before closing, I guess, find somebody that can do design/markety stuff
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Nÿco
no time to check scam
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emus
Link Mauve: You target people who have old-fashioned ideas about xmpp or?
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pep.
Nÿco, sure, 10 days is too short, but we would use these for any other conference afterwards
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Link Mauve
So I was planning on doing something less good than what could be possible, in order to have something at least.
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Link Mauve
emus, not only obviously, but many people do remember their Jabber days, using Pidgin some ten years ago and stopping because their contacts also stopped.
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Nÿco
for 10-years-fashioned users, I always recommend: https://www.erlang-solutions.com/blog/welcome-to-the-third-generation-of-instant-messaging-part-1-2.html https://www.erlang-solutions.com/blog/welcome-to-the-third-generation-of-instant-messaging-part-2-2.html
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Link Mauve
XMPP was quite popular amongst free software people in France back then.
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Link Mauve
Nÿco, my goal is to make them use it again, using better clients and maintained servers. :)
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Link Mauve
Explaining I can do when I see them.
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Nÿco
I think it is a wrong target, let them be disappointed
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Link Mauve
At least two years ago, there were a lot of them at this conference in Toulouse.
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Nÿco
generally, in business/marketing, if the cost of acquisition is 1, then the cost of retention is 10, and the cost to regain lost users is 100 numbers are only orders of magnitude
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Nÿco
so, try, you'll get golden feedback, I think that's worth
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Link Mauve
Heh. ^^
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Link Mauve
Do you think we should skip free software events and instead go to other conferences?
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Nÿco
Arc's server guide would benefit from "data", "GDPR", "self-hosting/on-premise", "sovereignty" and such
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Nÿco
wat
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Nÿco
but Arc's guide in only for the server, meaning it targets admins
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Nÿco
for users, I'd rather have a list of maintained, modern, and feature-complete apps
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Nÿco
for the "10-years-ago" XMPP/Jabber users, I'd rather present an offer that's better than what they have switched to...
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Nÿco
"better" in their system of thinking
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emus
> I think it is a wrong target, let them be disappointed Still, if they see that there is something new it might bring back expertise which is very important. I wouldnt loose that chance. If they were convince of the idea 10 years back they might still are
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Nÿco
and what's new, precisely?
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Nÿco
(asking your opinion)
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Nÿco
(imho, archiving has changed a lot, as well as UX, that is team chat, but we don't have any modern and feature-complete team chat app in XMPP)
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emus
Hard to say from my knowledge.
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emus
It`s true. still you can say that XMPP is still there
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Nÿco
that's the problem: XMPP is still _there_ :) with Pidgin, Psi and Gajim
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emus
> for 10-years-fashioned users, I always recommend: > https://www.erlang-solutions.com/blog/welcome-to-the-third-generation-of-instant-messaging-part-1-2.html > https://www.erlang-solutions.com/blog/welcome-to-the-third-generation-of-instant-messaging-part-2-2.html The links doesnt work anymore
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pep.
they do
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emus
🤔
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Nÿco
links work for me, I copied-pasted them
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emus
will check another browser
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Nÿco
maybe too many trackers?
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emus
> that's the problem: XMPP is still _there_ :) > with Pidgin, Psi and Gajim Don`t be so negative 😀 There is many more: www.omemo.top I would still give it a try. At least people see see there is something different from Pidgin
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emus
Nÿco: adblock
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Nÿco
yeah, I thought :/
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Nÿco
oh yeah, forgot the obvious e2e, sorry
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emus
> oh yeah, forgot the obvious e2e, sorry You can make it a state of the art information. people can decide on their own
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Nÿco
good, good, so indeed, we have some material to wake them up?
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emus
I think haveing a chat with georg an Holger will give you more material
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emus
(excl. the sarkasm 😃)