XSF Communications Team - 2019-11-05

should I include https://news.jabberfr.org/2019/10/compte-rendu-de-lag-de-jabberfr-du-2019-10-09/ in next newsletter? I'd say no

Hi CommTeam, do you have some material targetting users, mostly technical ones who have already heard of Jabber ten years ago?

This would be to hand out as flyers at the next SCAM event.

There is already Arc’s server guide 2017, but I was thinking about something more for users.

Link Mauve, maybe bring this up during today's SCAM meeting. Tbh I'm not sure where this falls

It falls in ten days.

I mean I'm not sure this is comm or scam tbh :/

(also why I'd prefer both together)

pep., it’s definitely communication.

Whether it’s for events or not is irrelevant.

Is it

So SCAM shouldn't worry about that at all?

What do we even go to conferences for

Or maybe it is, dunno, that’s how I understood CommTeam until now.

> Hi CommTeam, do you have some material targetting users, mostly technical ones who have already heard of Jabber ten years ago? > This would be to hand out as flyers at the next SCAM event. Awesone idea! This must go through jabber.ccc.de 😁

emus, what do you mean?

Link Mauve: I think there are many "old" jabber people pep intends to adress. and also someone must push that to the Pidgins main page :D

Note that they might not all be in that case, but that’s for a technical conference.

I just make fun

Still, actively looking for "old" potts might be valuable

Link Mauve : what do you need?

1. what target(s)? 2. what is (are) the problem(s)? 3. what form/shape?

Nÿco, see scam@muc.xmpp.org at 16:24:02.

I’m not totally sure tbh.

I think the target is technical people, free software people, mostly users?

that's for 1.

The problem, to get them to use XMPP I guess!

that's 2.

And the form, I was thinking about a flyer but it could take other forms, I was planning on also doing demos of various clients and depending on how the people interact with me to show them other ones too.

I personally wish to support more the SCAM team than I did in the past I think the effort is awesome and the outcome is actually excellent

3. flyers or demos, good

I’d prefer s/or/and/ :)

that's definitely an effort to be led by the commTeam imho, in support of SCAM

ok for the s :)

That’s also how I understood it until now.

Nÿco, should I redirect the "We need to find a design/markety person" to commteam then?

Do you also have a budget?

so the server triptic by Arc is a good base, may be it needs a little update: some info, but mostly a better visual

Note that ideally we’d have something printed in ten days.

pep., Link Mauve: Where else to you have contact with people which have aciebt ideas about xmpp?

emus, ?

pep. I don't understand "Nÿco, should I redirect the "We need to find a design/markety person" to commteam then?"

ancient?

Nÿco, see scam@

> Do you also have a budget? nope and 10 days is too short

I agree.

pep.> Action for SCAM before closing, I guess, find somebody that can do design/markety stuff

no time to check scam

Link Mauve: You target people who have old-fashioned ideas about xmpp or?

Nÿco, sure, 10 days is too short, but we would use these for any other conference afterwards

So I was planning on doing something less good than what could be possible, in order to have something at least.

emus, not only obviously, but many people do remember their Jabber days, using Pidgin some ten years ago and stopping because their contacts also stopped.

for 10-years-fashioned users, I always recommend: https://www.erlang-solutions.com/blog/welcome-to-the-third-generation-of-instant-messaging-part-1-2.html https://www.erlang-solutions.com/blog/welcome-to-the-third-generation-of-instant-messaging-part-2-2.html

XMPP was quite popular amongst free software people in France back then.

Nÿco, my goal is to make them use it again, using better clients and maintained servers. :)

Explaining I can do when I see them.

I think it is a wrong target, let them be disappointed

At least two years ago, there were a lot of them at this conference in Toulouse.

generally, in business/marketing, if the cost of acquisition is 1, then the cost of retention is 10, and the cost to regain lost users is 100 numbers are only orders of magnitude

so, try, you'll get golden feedback, I think that's worth

Heh. ^^

Do you think we should skip free software events and instead go to other conferences?

Arc's server guide would benefit from "data", "GDPR", "self-hosting/on-premise", "sovereignty" and such

wat

but Arc's guide in only for the server, meaning it targets admins

for users, I'd rather have a list of maintained, modern, and feature-complete apps

for the "10-years-ago" XMPP/Jabber users, I'd rather present an offer that's better than what they have switched to...

"better" in their system of thinking

> I think it is a wrong target, let them be disappointed Still, if they see that there is something new it might bring back expertise which is very important. I wouldnt loose that chance. If they were convince of the idea 10 years back they might still are

and what's new, precisely?

(asking your opinion)

(imho, archiving has changed a lot, as well as UX, that is team chat, but we don't have any modern and feature-complete team chat app in XMPP)

Hard to say from my knowledge.

It`s true. still you can say that XMPP is still there

that's the problem: XMPP is still _there_ :) with Pidgin, Psi and Gajim

> for 10-years-fashioned users, I always recommend: > https://www.erlang-solutions.com/blog/welcome-to-the-third-generation-of-instant-messaging-part-1-2.html > https://www.erlang-solutions.com/blog/welcome-to-the-third-generation-of-instant-messaging-part-2-2.html The links doesnt work anymore

they do

🤔

links work for me, I copied-pasted them

will check another browser

maybe too many trackers?

> that's the problem: XMPP is still _there_ :) > with Pidgin, Psi and Gajim Don`t be so negative 😀 There is many more: www.omemo.top I would still give it a try. At least people see see there is something different from Pidgin

Nÿco: adblock

yeah, I thought :/

oh yeah, forgot the obvious e2e, sorry

> oh yeah, forgot the obvious e2e, sorry You can make it a state of the art information. people can decide on their own

good, good, so indeed, we have some material to wake them up?

I think haveing a chat with georg an Holger will give you more material

(excl. the sarkasm 😃)