XSF Communications Team - 2019-11-20

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  8. Nÿco

    doing it right now

  9. Nÿco

    btw, next week, I'm gonna cover:

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    Newsletter open process XMPP on Social Media

  11. Nÿco

    maybe I should add the SCAM sprints

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  21. Nÿco

    oops: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/641

  22. Nÿco

    good point by Guus

  23. Guus

    As someone who recently lost all his bookmarks, I don't mind having a list of "XSF-internal" MUC rooms.

  24. Guus

    But on our public website, I'd focus on rooms that are of interest to the intended audience.

  25. Guus

    I don't think that the SCAM and Communication Teams MUCs are that.

  26. Guus

    mabye create the list on the wiki instead?

  27. SouL

    If that list is required, I would maybe keep it in the wiki and not in the website. I would rather keep workteams as something internal for the XSF, I don't see the value of random internet people joining this room

  28. SouL

    I see Guus was faster than me

  29. Guus

    Well, I don't mind showing that we're an open organisation but I don't think that listing them helps the intended audience finding the correct place to find help.

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  33. Nÿco

    I find these arguments relevant, still I remain hesistant

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    anyway, that twice -1 vs only one 0

  35. SouL

    Nÿco, what about you?

  36. Nÿco

    "hesitant", would vote 0 (not +1 not -1)

  37. Guus

    What would be the benefit of having these MUCs listed on the public website, for the intended audience?

  38. Nÿco

    as you said, transparency I'd love to have audience feedback, qualitative rather than quantitative

  39. Nÿco

    it lowers the barrier of entry

  40. Nÿco

    someone who would want to suggest just drops a short message on our MUC

  41. Guus

    As an alternative to the alternative that I've suggested on Github (which would still work for me): Maybe add the MUCs to the pages of the individual Work Teams?

  42. Guus

    and/or do both.

  43. Nÿco

    easier than getting an account to modify the wiki, easier than creating a PR or reporting an issue on GitHub

  44. Guus

    I'd not add them to https://xmpp.org/community/chat.html without making it very clear that these rooms are mostly 'internal' (I prefer to not have them listed at all on that page)

  45. Nÿco

    right, forgot that

  46. Guus

    You don't need an account to read the wiki

  47. Guus

    only to change it.

  48. Nÿco

    read, but not write

  49. Nÿco

    still, providing feedback to the XSF is difficult

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  51. Nÿco

    not only comm

  52. Guus

    giving people more options isn't always an improvement.

  53. Nÿco

    I'm diverging

  54. Guus

    regardless, I'm not feeling very strongly about this either way.

  55. Guus

    I'd personally not add them, but I'm fine with them being added.

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  57. SouL


  58. SouL

    It would maybe fit best on the contact page

  59. SouL

    like if workteams where specific departments (Human resources, public relations, etc)

  60. Nÿco

    https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/641 closed, wontfix

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  62. Guus

    I like how you're putting things like this up for discussion. Thanks!

  63. Nÿco

    real of humour?

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  66. Guus

    I actually appreciate the way you're doing this - no irony intended.

  67. Nÿco

    ok, clear, thx

  68. Nÿco

    I appreciate how this discussion happened

  69. Nÿco

    regarding social media content:

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    this week: Gajim tomorrow, Conversations next day

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    next week: call for content for the newsletter, newsletter process, our social media accounts, SCAM sprints

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  73. Nÿco

    we have analytics on Twitter but nothing on Mastodon, that's gonna be manual :'(

  74. Nÿco

    oops, https://github.com/conversejs/converse.js/releases/tag/v5.0.5

  75. Nÿco

    so maybe I'd do Conversations Thu and Converse Fri?

  76. Guus

    v5.0.5 fixes a very nasty bug that effectively silently drops messages. If we're going to mention the release, doing it sooner rather than later is good.

  77. Nÿco

    like "now"?

  78. Guus

    I'm still not sold on the idea that we're publishing content for other projects in the first place, but I'll leave that to you for now 🙂

  79. Nÿco

    I'd rather relay JC's announces

  80. Guus

    nah, no need to rush-rush things

  81. Guus

    but I'd suggest moving it up to the pile of scheduled things.

  82. Nÿco

    I know you're not convinced, I am not yet either to be completely honest this is only experimentation we'll see the reception

  83. Guus

    as this update being deployed will benefit the XMPP ecosystem as a whole

  84. Guus

    fair enough

  85. Nÿco

    btw, I'll deploy it rght away :)

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  87. Nÿco

    CDNs rock

  88. Guus

    Yeah, for Openfire we need a small wrapper

  89. Guus

    I'm trying to get anyone-but-me to do that, to reduce the bus factor of that

  90. Nÿco

    https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Twitter_and_Mastodon_content for transparency and co-construction

  91. Nÿco

    https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/index.php?title=CommTeam/Newsletter_Twitter_campaign&redirect=no#Draft_tweets are still usefull

  92. Nÿco

    otherwise, still talking about sharing and building together, how about we sync the CommTeam on a Trello board?

  93. SouL


  94. Guus

    Although I don't have an immediate better alternative, I'd not use the term 'diverse' as is done in those templates. These days, 'diverse' mostly refers to diversity in context of race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation.

  95. Guus

    Although I don't immediately have a better alternative, I'd not use the term 'diverse' as is done in those templates. These days, 'diverse' mostly refers to diversity in context of race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation.

  96. Nÿco

    where do you see "diverse"?

  97. Guus

    Draft tweets, last one

  98. Guus

    > XMPP is Diverse - you will never get "locked in" when using XMPP technologies. As an example, you have plenty of options to choose from when looking for a XMPP client. https://xmpp.org/software/clients.html

  99. Guus

    Maybe re-use these terms? https://xmpp.org/about/technology-overview.html

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