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emus
DebXWoody: but I can be encouraged by PRs
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emus
Hello everyone, tonight I am trying to set the Newsletter Draft to review. So if you have anything to add or mention, please consider rather today then the next days. I would like to close to release by Sunday (5th). Then everyone should have been able to review and can go on with translations, social media posts etc.
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emus
Also: are there any open PRs which haven't been merged yet?
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Martin
Profanity released a 0.9.5 yesterday.
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peetah
don't know if DebXWoody or someone else added it already, but profanity released 0.9.5
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peetah
:)
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Martin
Maybe someone can add it, I am not at my computer today.
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emus
Martin: ok, but thats july
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Martin
He, true.
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peetah
emus: that's border line june :)
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emus
Please only June topic for now
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emus
yes, but is okay, we will put that to the next one
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emus
But if you create a PR and just sneak it in, I might dont see it ๐
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emus
Yeah, but to be honest. lets just try keep it separated
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wurstsalat
emus, since itโs july already, you could also open a new PR :)
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jcbrand
I'm sorry everyone but I forgot to put xmpp.work into the newsletter, did someone perhaps do that already?
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wurstsalat
jcbrand, itโs mentioned already
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jcbrand
Great, thanks
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emus
wurstsalat: Yes I knew, hadnt had time yet
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emus
Hi mdosch - 22 days ago ๐ you wrote in the Draft: "s/fix/fixes"
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emus
What do you meant to do?
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emus
peetah - would you mind to write short line on this? My french was back in school ๐๏ธ
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emus
"Journal : Quicksy la messagerie instantanรฉe libre basรฉe sur XMPP facile" Means: "Journal: Quicksy the free instant messagingbased on easy XMPP" https://linuxfr.org/users/space_e_man/journaux/quicksy-la-messagerie-instantanee-libre-basee-sur-xmpp-facile
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peetah
ok
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emus
cool, thanks. you can just drop it here
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emus
if that is easier for you
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Martin
> Hi mdosch - 22 days ago ๐ you wrote in the Draft: "s/fix/fixes" > What do you meant to do? Probably somewhere was written fix instead of fixes. No idea, maybe I fixed it already.
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emus
will search for it
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emus
got it
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emus
about profanity: I think there are so much releases for the June - we will add July's ones to July
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emus
okay?
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emus
wurstsalat - the XEP section is complete? thank you very much for this summaries!
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wurstsalat
emus, yes, I think so
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emus
Alright.
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emus
peetah I see you typing all the time - you don't need to put a lot efforts in this or big text - not that I don't want it but just to keep work low for you
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peetah
Linuxfr.org user Space_e_man proposed his short overview of [Quicksy the easy XMPP based libre instant messaging platform](https://linuxfr.org/users/space_e_man/journaux/quicksy-la-messagerie-instantanee-libre-basee-sur-xmpp-facile). While the article itself concentrates on the reasons why it should be prefered to other proprietary solutions, the comments of linuxfr.org users, as usual, bring a lot of various points of view, as well as alternatives.
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peetah
I type anytime and whatever I want, you lurker ! ;)
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Licaon_Kter
peetah: points of view full of FUD lol https://linuxfr.org/users/space_e_man/journaux/quicksy-la-messagerie-instantanee-libre-basee-sur-xmpp-facile#comment-1816041 Nobody corrected them..yeah...great...
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emus
> I type anytime and whatever I want, you lurker ! ๐
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emus
๐๏ธ
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emus
Thank you!
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emus
guys, shall I add ignites openfire beta and smack alpha release? I guess not, right?
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emus
or only the beta announcement?
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peetah
beta and alpha need to announced to bring testers✎ -
peetah
beta and alpha need to be announced to bring testers ✏
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emus
okay, but I'm not sure if we shall mentional all alpha and beta releases in general ๐ค๏ธ
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wurstsalat
why not beta? for gajim this was ok
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emus
I keep this for the beta only okay?
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emus
yes ^
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emus
ok
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peetah
fine
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emus
Ready for review - I forgot all you contributors by now - will do that - but if anyone is happy and quicker to do so you are welcome! https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/714
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pep.
Licaon_Kter, quicksy has OMEMO enabled by default right? Just like C
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pep.
I'm considering replying
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pep.
(Why am I even doing this..)
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peetah
masochistic tendencies ?
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pep.
I guess so
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peetah
Licaon_Kter: you are pointing a comment that is not even XMPP related right ?
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peetah
ah no, the one answering the one you are pointing is about quicksy vs signal
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pep.
ugh this quicksy thread.. It's a pain to read as somebody who knows how it's done. They see that as yet-another-messaging-app, which.. is fine because that's what devs are trying to do somewhat now, but that has the disadvantage that people trying to look for alternatives won't even look at Conversations after complaining about Quicksy fetching Contact details
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pep.
(that's the whole point!)
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Martin
pep.: As I see movim is also mentioned there so it seems they got the link between quicksy and xmpp. But I'm only guessing as it is frencrypted.
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emus
Tbh I don`t wonder they dont get the full picture
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pep.
as it's frencrypted?
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emus
No, as its hard to understand xmpp (universe) if you havent heard about it I think
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Martin
Not everybody needs the full picture. If some are happy with quicksy as it is it's good enough for the happy nerd who can contact them from his full XMPP picture.
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emus
understand and see
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pep.
emus, yeah that's not exactly what I'm trying to say
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emus
Martin: Sure, rather a general point
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emus
pep.: ok, nevermind. was just saying in general
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pep.
Trying to get away from advertising XMPP isn't bad, but then it's fun to see that people will recommend "Jami" because it's fully open-source and doesn't read your contacts, instead of "Conversations" which is quicksy but different
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Martin
Ok, that's indeed not what I have in mind when I say stuff like quicksy which is hiding the xmpp complexity from users os a good thong for some target groups. ๐
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emus
but what I said is actually a legit point in my view in general. Yesterday a friend was claiming how much she hates monal and xmpp - bonus: it was just my server having an issue telling her "remote server error" my friends also say that conversations does work for one friend... who uses Monal ๐✎ -
emus
but what I said is actually a legit point in my view in general. Yesterday a friend was claiming how much she hates monal and xmpp - bonus: it was just my server actually having an issue telling her "remote server error" my friends also say that conversations does work for one friend... who uses Monal ๐ ✏
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Martin
People are so used to service=provider=app in im whereas they understand email with different providers and clients.
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Martin
Sometimes I wonder what we did wrong to reach this point. Probably the point where people started using im on Smartphones and xmpp was not yet ready there. Smartphones brought a lot of people to im who previously didn't chat at the computer.
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emus
I know, thats what I am critizing
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pep.
Ok I answered.. I should have done that saturday because tomorrow (friday) is when people get all in, on this website
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emus
Martin: and actually what I would like to change
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Martin
That's pretty difficult now due to the network effect. Why should I use this where only you are? You better install WhatsApp where everyone else is. ๐คฎ
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emus
I know, but there is potential in my view
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Martin
Hope you have some good ideas. ๐
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emus
๐
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Licaon_Kter
pep.: omemo was "on by default" at launch...but...it was switched to Always at one point.
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pep.
yeah so from a user standpoint it's the same if they don't touch anything
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Licaon_Kter
pep.: yes, secure by default, files too. The "send encrypted omemo message" hint has some reassuring...but....somehow then you'd just do an 180 and..."I guess files are not encrypted?!??!?" Not the first time I see such a comment, not sure why.