XSF Communications Team - 2020-07-02

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  31. emus

    DebXWoody: but I can be encouraged by PRs

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  36. emus

    Hello everyone, tonight I am trying to set the Newsletter Draft to review. So if you have anything to add or mention, please consider rather today then the next days. I would like to close to release by Sunday (5th). Then everyone should have been able to review and can go on with translations, social media posts etc.

  37. emus

    Also: are there any open PRs which haven't been merged yet?

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  40. Martin

    Profanity released a 0.9.5 yesterday.

  41. peetah

    don't know if DebXWoody or someone else added it already, but profanity released 0.9.5

  42. peetah


  43. Martin

    Maybe someone can add it, I am not at my computer today.

  44. emus

    Martin: ok, but thats july

  45. Martin

    He, true.

  46. peetah

    emus: that's border line june :)

  47. emus

    Please only June topic for now

  48. emus

    yes, but is okay, we will put that to the next one

  49. emus

    But if you create a PR and just sneak it in, I might dont see it 😋

  50. emus

    Yeah, but to be honest. lets just try keep it separated

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  54. wurstsalat

    emus, since it’s july already, you could also open a new PR :)

  55. jcbrand

    I'm sorry everyone but I forgot to put xmpp.work into the newsletter, did someone perhaps do that already?

  56. wurstsalat

    jcbrand, it’s mentioned already

  57. jcbrand

    Great, thanks

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  59. emus

    wurstsalat: Yes I knew, hadnt had time yet

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  93. emus

    Hi mdosch - 22 days ago 😀 you wrote in the Draft: "s/fix/fixes"

  94. emus

    What do you meant to do?

  95. emus

    peetah - would you mind to write short line on this? My french was back in school 🙈️

  96. emus

    "Journal : Quicksy la messagerie instantanée libre basée sur XMPP facile" Means: "Journal: Quicksy the free instant messagingbased on easy XMPP" https://linuxfr.org/users/space_e_man/journaux/quicksy-la-messagerie-instantanee-libre-basee-sur-xmpp-facile

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  98. emus

    cool, thanks. you can just drop it here

  99. emus

    if that is easier for you

  100. Martin

    > Hi mdosch - 22 days ago 😀 you wrote in the Draft: "s/fix/fixes" > What do you meant to do? Probably somewhere was written fix instead of fixes. No idea, maybe I fixed it already.

  101. emus

    will search for it

  102. emus

    got it

  103. emus

    about profanity: I think there are so much releases for the June - we will add July's ones to July

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  105. emus

    wurstsalat - the XEP section is complete? thank you very much for this summaries!

  106. wurstsalat

    emus, yes, I think so

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  108. emus

    peetah I see you typing all the time - you don't need to put a lot efforts in this or big text - not that I don't want it but just to keep work low for you

  109. peetah

    Linuxfr.org user Space_e_man proposed his short overview of [Quicksy the easy XMPP based libre instant messaging platform](https://linuxfr.org/users/space_e_man/journaux/quicksy-la-messagerie-instantanee-libre-basee-sur-xmpp-facile). While the article itself concentrates on the reasons why it should be prefered to other proprietary solutions, the comments of linuxfr.org users, as usual, bring a lot of various points of view, as well as alternatives.

  110. peetah

    I type anytime and whatever I want, you lurker ! ;)

  111. Licaon_Kter

    peetah: points of view full of FUD lol https://linuxfr.org/users/space_e_man/journaux/quicksy-la-messagerie-instantanee-libre-basee-sur-xmpp-facile#comment-1816041 Nobody corrected them..yeah...great...

  112. emus

    > I type anytime and whatever I want, you lurker ! 😉

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  115. emus

    Thank you!

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  117. emus

    guys, shall I add ignites openfire beta and smack alpha release? I guess not, right?

  118. emus

    or only the beta announcement?

  119. peetah

    beta and alpha need to announced to bring testers

  120. peetah

    beta and alpha need to be announced to bring testers

  121. emus

    okay, but I'm not sure if we shall mentional all alpha and beta releases in general 🤔️

  122. wurstsalat

    why not beta? for gajim this was ok

  123. emus

    I keep this for the beta only okay?

  124. emus

    yes ^

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  131. emus

    Ready for review - I forgot all you contributors by now - will do that - but if anyone is happy and quicker to do so you are welcome! https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/714

  132. pep.

    Licaon_Kter, quicksy has OMEMO enabled by default right? Just like C

  133. pep.

    I'm considering replying

  134. pep.

    (Why am I even doing this..)

  135. peetah

    masochistic tendencies ?

  136. pep.

    I guess so

  137. peetah

    Licaon_Kter: you are pointing a comment that is not even XMPP related right ?

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  141. peetah

    ah no, the one answering the one you are pointing is about quicksy vs signal

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  144. pep.

    ugh this quicksy thread.. It's a pain to read as somebody who knows how it's done. They see that as yet-another-messaging-app, which.. is fine because that's what devs are trying to do somewhat now, but that has the disadvantage that people trying to look for alternatives won't even look at Conversations after complaining about Quicksy fetching Contact details

  145. pep.

    (that's the whole point!)

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  163. Martin

    pep.: As I see movim is also mentioned there so it seems they got the link between quicksy and xmpp. But I'm only guessing as it is frencrypted.

  164. emus

    Tbh I don`t wonder they dont get the full picture

  165. pep.

    as it's frencrypted?

  166. emus

    No, as its hard to understand xmpp (universe) if you havent heard about it I think

  167. Martin

    Not everybody needs the full picture. If some are happy with quicksy as it is it's good enough for the happy nerd who can contact them from his full XMPP picture.

  168. emus

    understand and see

  169. pep.

    emus, yeah that's not exactly what I'm trying to say

  170. emus

    Martin: Sure, rather a general point

  171. emus

    pep.: ok, nevermind. was just saying in general

  172. pep.

    Trying to get away from advertising XMPP isn't bad, but then it's fun to see that people will recommend "Jami" because it's fully open-source and doesn't read your contacts, instead of "Conversations" which is quicksy but different

  173. Martin

    Ok, that's indeed not what I have in mind when I say stuff like quicksy which is hiding the xmpp complexity from users os a good thong for some target groups. 😐

  174. emus

    but what I said is actually a legit point in my view in general. Yesterday a friend was claiming how much she hates monal and xmpp - bonus: it was just my server having an issue telling her "remote server error" my friends also say that conversations does work for one friend... who uses Monal 😅

  175. emus

    but what I said is actually a legit point in my view in general. Yesterday a friend was claiming how much she hates monal and xmpp - bonus: it was just my server actually having an issue telling her "remote server error" my friends also say that conversations does work for one friend... who uses Monal 😅

  176. Martin

    People are so used to service=provider=app in im whereas they understand email with different providers and clients.

  177. Martin

    Sometimes I wonder what we did wrong to reach this point. Probably the point where people started using im on Smartphones and xmpp was not yet ready there. Smartphones brought a lot of people to im who previously didn't chat at the computer.

  178. emus

    I know, thats what I am critizing

  179. pep.

    Ok I answered.. I should have done that saturday because tomorrow (friday) is when people get all in, on this website

  180. emus

    Martin: and actually what I would like to change

  181. Martin

    That's pretty difficult now due to the network effect. Why should I use this where only you are? You better install WhatsApp where everyone else is. 🤮

  182. emus

    I know, but there is potential in my view

  183. Martin

    Hope you have some good ideas. 😃

  184. emus


  185. Licaon_Kter

    pep.: omemo was "on by default" at launch...but...it was switched to Always at one point.

  186. pep.

    yeah so from a user standpoint it's the same if they don't touch anything

  187. Licaon_Kter

    pep.: yes, secure by default, files too. The "send encrypted omemo message" hint has some reassuring...but....somehow then you'd just do an 180 and..."I guess files are not encrypted?!??!?" Not the first time I see such a comment, not sure why.

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