XSF Communications Team - 2020-07-02

DebXWoody: but I can be encouraged by PRs

Hello everyone, tonight I am trying to set the Newsletter Draft to review. So if you have anything to add or mention, please consider rather today then the next days. I would like to close to release by Sunday (5th). Then everyone should have been able to review and can go on with translations, social media posts etc.

Also: are there any open PRs which haven't been merged yet?

Profanity released a 0.9.5 yesterday.

don't know if DebXWoody or someone else added it already, but profanity released 0.9.5

:)

Maybe someone can add it, I am not at my computer today.

Martin: ok, but thats july

He, true.

emus: that's border line june :)

Please only June topic for now

yes, but is okay, we will put that to the next one

But if you create a PR and just sneak it in, I might dont see it 😋

Yeah, but to be honest. lets just try keep it separated

emus, since it’s july already, you could also open a new PR :)

I'm sorry everyone but I forgot to put xmpp.work into the newsletter, did someone perhaps do that already?

jcbrand, it’s mentioned already

Great, thanks

wurstsalat: Yes I knew, hadnt had time yet

Hi mdosch - 22 days ago 😀 you wrote in the Draft: "s/fix/fixes"

What do you meant to do?

peetah - would you mind to write short line on this? My french was back in school 🙈️

"Journal : Quicksy la messagerie instantanée libre basée sur XMPP facile" Means: "Journal: Quicksy the free instant messagingbased on easy XMPP" https://linuxfr.org/users/space_e_man/journaux/quicksy-la-messagerie-instantanee-libre-basee-sur-xmpp-facile

ok

cool, thanks. you can just drop it here

if that is easier for you

> Hi mdosch - 22 days ago 😀 you wrote in the Draft: "s/fix/fixes" > What do you meant to do? Probably somewhere was written fix instead of fixes. No idea, maybe I fixed it already.

will search for it

got it

about profanity: I think there are so much releases for the June - we will add July's ones to July

okay?

wurstsalat - the XEP section is complete? thank you very much for this summaries!

emus, yes, I think so

Alright.

peetah I see you typing all the time - you don't need to put a lot efforts in this or big text - not that I don't want it but just to keep work low for you

Linuxfr.org user Space_e_man proposed his short overview of [Quicksy the easy XMPP based libre instant messaging platform](https://linuxfr.org/users/space_e_man/journaux/quicksy-la-messagerie-instantanee-libre-basee-sur-xmpp-facile). While the article itself concentrates on the reasons why it should be prefered to other proprietary solutions, the comments of linuxfr.org users, as usual, bring a lot of various points of view, as well as alternatives.

I type anytime and whatever I want, you lurker ! ;)

peetah: points of view full of FUD lol https://linuxfr.org/users/space_e_man/journaux/quicksy-la-messagerie-instantanee-libre-basee-sur-xmpp-facile#comment-1816041 Nobody corrected them..yeah...great...

> I type anytime and whatever I want, you lurker ! 😉

😂️

Thank you!

guys, shall I add ignites openfire beta and smack alpha release? I guess not, right?

or only the beta announcement?

beta and alpha need to be announced to bring testers ✏

okay, but I'm not sure if we shall mentional all alpha and beta releases in general 🤔️

why not beta? for gajim this was ok

I keep this for the beta only okay?

yes ^

ok

fine

Ready for review - I forgot all you contributors by now - will do that - but if anyone is happy and quicker to do so you are welcome! https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/714

Licaon_Kter, quicksy has OMEMO enabled by default right? Just like C

I'm considering replying

(Why am I even doing this..)

masochistic tendencies ?

I guess so

Licaon_Kter: you are pointing a comment that is not even XMPP related right ?

ah no, the one answering the one you are pointing is about quicksy vs signal

ugh this quicksy thread.. It's a pain to read as somebody who knows how it's done. They see that as yet-another-messaging-app, which.. is fine because that's what devs are trying to do somewhat now, but that has the disadvantage that people trying to look for alternatives won't even look at Conversations after complaining about Quicksy fetching Contact details

(that's the whole point!)

pep.: As I see movim is also mentioned there so it seems they got the link between quicksy and xmpp. But I'm only guessing as it is frencrypted.

Tbh I don`t wonder they dont get the full picture

as it's frencrypted?

No, as its hard to understand xmpp (universe) if you havent heard about it I think

Not everybody needs the full picture. If some are happy with quicksy as it is it's good enough for the happy nerd who can contact them from his full XMPP picture.

understand and see

emus, yeah that's not exactly what I'm trying to say

Martin: Sure, rather a general point

pep.: ok, nevermind. was just saying in general

Trying to get away from advertising XMPP isn't bad, but then it's fun to see that people will recommend "Jami" because it's fully open-source and doesn't read your contacts, instead of "Conversations" which is quicksy but different

Ok, that's indeed not what I have in mind when I say stuff like quicksy which is hiding the xmpp complexity from users os a good thong for some target groups. 😐

but what I said is actually a legit point in my view in general. Yesterday a friend was claiming how much she hates monal and xmpp - bonus: it was just my server actually having an issue telling her "remote server error" my friends also say that conversations does work for one friend... who uses Monal 😅 ✏

People are so used to service=provider=app in im whereas they understand email with different providers and clients.

Sometimes I wonder what we did wrong to reach this point. Probably the point where people started using im on Smartphones and xmpp was not yet ready there. Smartphones brought a lot of people to im who previously didn't chat at the computer.

I know, thats what I am critizing

Ok I answered.. I should have done that saturday because tomorrow (friday) is when people get all in, on this website

Martin: and actually what I would like to change

That's pretty difficult now due to the network effect. Why should I use this where only you are? You better install WhatsApp where everyone else is. 🤮

I know, but there is potential in my view

Hope you have some good ideas. 😃

🙂

pep.: omemo was "on by default" at launch...but...it was switched to Always at one point.

yeah so from a user standpoint it's the same if they don't touch anything

pep.: yes, secure by default, files too. The "send encrypted omemo message" hint has some reassuring...but....somehow then you'd just do an 180 and..."I guess files are not encrypted?!??!?" Not the first time I see such a comment, not sure why.