XSF Communications Team - 2020-07-10


  1. Wojtek has left

  2. alacer has left

  3. alacer has joined

  4. Licaon_Kter has joined

  5. wurstsalat has joined

  6. arnaudj has left

  7. arnaudj has joined

  8. alacer has left

  9. arnaudj has left

  10. arnaudj has joined

  11. jcbrand has joined

  12. emus has joined

  13. arnaudj has left

  14. debacle has joined

  15. peetah

    I have comments from readers concerning the opacity of the newsletter from simple XMPP users: I propose that we try to care wrapping each newsletter info in a user centric view, focusing on how such info may impact or not a reader that would be a simple user

  16. emus

    Interesting, I thought only people who know xmpp read it

  17. peetah

    since linuxfr is a generalist open source oriented website, it brings all kind of people, from the most basic user to the hardcore developer

  18. peetah

    not the same audience than xmmp.org

  19. debacle has left

  20. peetah

    do we have an idea of all the places where the newsletter is published ? I'm aware of emailing, xmpp.org, linuxfr.org, jabberfr.org , the german site where you publish the german translation ...

  21. peetah

    then it is advertised on social networks

  22. debacle has joined

  23. jcbrand has left

  24. peetah

    did we do the social network thing for this last newsletter ?

  25. emus

    I cannot do the translastions atm 😐 Helpers welcome I think it is a good point to consider making extra statements for non-xmpp people. but I would not expand the efforts at the moment. I can imagine to put an "Introduction to XMPP"/Newcomer link, but I wonder if we have the ressources for this

  26. emus

    peetah: We basically publish on social networks, but I dont have the access to twitter mastadon

  27. Licaon_Kter

    peetah: not sure I get it, they care about clients right? _"this client had updates"_ Ok But you want to explain XEPs? Why?

  28. peetah

    they want the newsletter to clearly state, when possible, how such changes, whether in clients or in XEPs, could impact a simple XMPP user

  29. peetah

    a kind of "Too Complex; Did'nt read" or "XMPP for noobs" additional line for each info

  30. jcbrand has joined

  31. emus

    Was there a sentence or phrase as a typical example what thet dont get?

  32. peetah

    in previous newsletters, there were an abstract explaining what each cited XEP was about and I think we should put that back rather than just link to the official XEP

  33. emus

    I mean usually we describe changes to a software, that is usually "impact" to the users

  34. peetah

    in june 9th newsletter the part about <rtcp-mux/> for example

  35. emus

    Okay, but I think this passage is for developers. It has few impact to users normally I think

  36. peetah

    it's here for expert to understand, but does it have any impact for a simple user

  37. peetah

    it is not stated anywhere

  38. Licaon_Kter

    XEPs don't have an impact until implemented, when they are... see "Clients" section.

  39. emus

    I would be okay to add a sentence saying what the section is for

  40. peetah

    Licaon_Kter: we all know that in this room, but we are talking from a simple user perspective here

  41. Licaon_Kter

    You keep saying "simple user" but asking for stuff not meant for that user.

  42. peetah

    for these users who may care to expand their understanding of the XMPP environment, it is a good idea to fill this gap in the newsletter

  43. debacle has left

  44. Licaon_Kter

    peetah: no, they should RTFM for the backstory...

  45. Licaon_Kter

    Why you'd use the newsletter for what xmpp.org (should) cover?

  46. Licaon_Kter

    Also, the introduction section for a XEP has info too.

  47. peetah

    because the newsletter is a communication tool to attract more people who could understand and contribute to XMPP

  48. Licaon_Kter

    But simple users can't YET understand.p.

  49. peetah

    if you don't make the effort to explain, they won't

  50. emus

    I see the problem, I wonder if the newsletter is the correct place for those people 🤔

  51. emus

    Actually the XSF rather refuses to focus on endusers (which is not my personal view)

  52. Licaon_Kter

    > Actually the XSF rather refuses to focus on endusers (which is not my personal view) That's another story....solved...not on the newsletter :)

  53. Alex has left

  54. Alex has joined

  55. peetah

    happy to read any other participant willing to share their thoughts on the matter !

  56. peetah

    happy to read any other participants willing to share their thoughts on the matter !

  57. emus

    Licaon_Kter: I see you point - but honestly its not that we cannot put news which are interesting for newcommers aswell

  58. Alex has left

  59. Alex has joined

  60. debacle has joined

  61. arnaudj has joined

  62. Licaon_Kter

    emus: this is not about the news but about adding more description, checking more description, etc. But yeah....as you see fit.

  63. emus

    ok

  64. Licaon_Kter has left

  65. Licaon_Kter has joined

  66. alacer has joined

  67. alacer has left

  68. alacer has joined

  69. Nÿco has left

  70. Nÿco has joined

  71. alkino has joined

  72. emus has left

  73. emus has joined

  74. peetah

    is there text stating clearly what is the goal and the target audience of the XMPP newsletter ?

  75. emus

    No, but sofar the target are more developers or inside people, that those who are new to the network. (as said not my opinion). But I also dont see how we can manage newcomers with a newsletter and also how if we talk about XEPs

  76. erszcz has joined

  77. peetah

    here what I propose: I'll try to work something around the each news added for the next newsletter, and let's discuss how it goes then so that we decide if it is kept or not

  78. peetah

    here what I propose: I'll try to work something around each news added for the next newsletter, and let's discuss how it goes then so that we decide if it is kept or not

  79. emus

    Okay yes should be fine, lets see

  80. kikuchiyo has left

  81. alacer has left

  82. alacer has joined

  83. kikuchiyo has joined

  84. Licaon_Kter has left

  85. Licaon_Kter has joined

  86. kikuchiyo has left

  87. Alex has left

  88. kikuchiyo has joined

  89. kikuchiyo has left

  90. kikuchiyo has joined

  91. kikuchiyo has left

  92. kikuchiyo has joined

  93. kikuchiyo has left

  94. kikuchiyo has joined

  95. kikuchiyo has left

  96. kikuchiyo has joined

  97. kikuchiyo has left

  98. kikuchiyo has joined

  99. Alex has joined

  100. alkino has left

  101. Wojtek has joined

  102. kikuchiyo has left

  103. jcbrand has left

  104. alacer has left

  105. alacer has joined

  106. kikuchiyo has joined

  107. Licaon_Kter has left

  108. Licaon_Kter has joined

  109. emus has left

  110. peetah

    emus : are you automatically pinged when a PR is added to the xsf repo or should we not forget to mention you in each PR as I did not do right now ?

  111. jcbrand has joined

  112. alacer has left

  113. alacer has joined

  114. Alex has left

  115. Alex has joined

  116. emus has joined

  117. kikuchiyo has left

  118. emus

    Please always ping me. but by time I check myself

  119. kikuchiyo has joined

  120. kikuchiyo has left

  121. kikuchiyo has joined

  122. wurstsalat has left

  123. wurstsalat has joined

  124. alacer has left

  125. alacer has joined

  126. peetah

    does anyone know of document that lists clients/servers/libraries supporting a given XEP ?

  127. peetah

    does anyone know of a document or website that lists clients/servers/libraries supporting a given XEP ?

  128. debacle has left

  129. emus

    The Conversations XMPP Compliance tester? there is also a Listing from.the German Datenschutzhelden

  130. Licaon_Kter

    emus: i think peetah wants per software, not per server

  131. Licaon_Kter

    Neustradamus (sp?) keeps spamming all the projects to include such a list, but...meh

  132. peetah has left

  133. peetah has joined

  134. kikuchiyo has left

  135. kikuchiyo has joined

  136. kikuchiyo has left

  137. kikuchiyo has joined

  138. kikuchiyo has left

  139. kikuchiyo has joined

  140. jcbrand has left

  141. kikuchiyo has left

  142. kikuchiyo has joined

  143. kikuchiyo has left

  144. jcbrand has joined

  145. kikuchiyo has joined

  146. kikuchiyo has left

  147. kikuchiyo has joined

  148. kikuchiyo has left

  149. kikuchiyo has joined

  150. kikuchiyo has left

  151. kikuchiyo has joined

  152. kikuchiyo has left

  153. kikuchiyo has joined

  154. kikuchiyo has left

  155. kikuchiyo has joined

  156. kikuchiyo has left

  157. kikuchiyo has joined

  158. kikuchiyo has left

  159. kikuchiyo has joined

  160. kikuchiyo has left

  161. kikuchiyo has joined

  162. kikuchiyo has left

  163. kikuchiyo has joined

  164. kikuchiyo has left

  165. kikuchiyo has joined

  166. kikuchiyo has left

  167. kikuchiyo has joined

  168. kikuchiyo has left

  169. kikuchiyo has joined

  170. kikuchiyo has left

  171. kikuchiyo has joined

  172. debacle has joined

  173. kikuchiyo has left

  174. kikuchiyo has joined

  175. kikuchiyo has left

  176. kikuchiyo has joined

  177. kikuchiyo has left

  178. debacle has left

  179. kikuchiyo has joined

  180. debacle has joined

  181. kikuchiyo has left

  182. kikuchiyo has joined

  183. kikuchiyo has left

  184. kikuchiyo has joined

  185. kikuchiyo has left

  186. kikuchiyo has joined

  187. peetah has left

  188. Guus has left

  189. Guus has joined

  190. peetah has joined

  191. jcbrand has left

  192. emus

    Hmm

  193. jcbrand has joined

  194. debacle has left

  195. emus has left

  196. jcbrand has left

  197. Wojtek has left