XSF Communications Team - 2020-07-28

emus: not me :)

Pix-Art Rocks!

Best client for Birdie

DarkiJah: stop it

Licaon_Kter: But it is the best Client for Birdie! :)

Putting some more sanity into conversations for some userbility for the user.

Pix-Art in a nut shell.

Conversations should adopt some of the ideas of Chris I think.

Anyway both are great and stable clients - Rock solid for Birdie.

But Pix-Art just has an edge on sane userbility.

DarkiJah: what are the differences?

SouL: try it out and you will see :)

Enough differences that you should notice the sharper edge of Pix-Art.

Even if it is a Fork it has enough things to make it is own.

SouL: if you like Conversations you should come to love Pix-Art

You want the channel info? Push the channel name... Thats one.

Wanna ban a user quick or see the picture push on the image for a menu or your own.

For your own profile info.

Name above the msg and not below.

Things of that nature - SouL

Name coloring.

Sending of files and microphone in a smart way easy at hand.

https://share.conversations.im/darkijahu/LFTBy4EKHeO0I4Cw/Screenshot_2020-07-28-09-42-34.png

And when writing turn to a send icon

Like

This ----->

https://share.conversations.im/darkijahu/Jl37zl6sLYrJ5JqY/Screenshot_2020-07-28-09-43-09.png

https://share.conversations.im/darkijahu/PZIMGeQsR08nav7q/Screenshot_2020-07-28-09-44-38.png

https://share.conversations.im/darkijahu/BNvkeWWE1FdMfJlN/Screenshot_2020-07-28-09-44-54.png

Options sorted in "folder"

https://share.conversations.im/darkijahu/dDUw20mSUIbUBBwC/Screenshot_2020-07-28-09-46-09.png

SouL: so very much a like and yet difference and Pix-Art take the price.

https://share.conversations.im/darkijahu/riRyEEc8RfGVyAJB/Screenshot_2020-07-28-09-47-51.png

Easy quick and just close to your fingertips :)

DarkiJah: effing stop

DarkiJah: what you're doing is close to spam; if you want to be useful, write a blog post about Pix Art that could be linked in the newsletter, or contribute a PR about the last released 2.5.x versions

peetah: https://JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life/birdie.php I'm on it :) ✏

Small b in Birdie. My bad.

https://jesusisgodalmighty.life/birdie.php

Was there an agreement to call xmpp birdie?

oh, did not see that you were *that* DarkiJah … I, for sure, won't include a link to a proselytist web site in the newsletter

Martin: well... I think it is the way to go, I will go with it and see if something can come out of it so we can get some more people on this platform :)

peetah: no worries, no one forces you to do anything. But I'm waiting for converse 7 for the website and then need to make a newbie manual for getting started quickly.

Need to figure out what server to recommend as well for user account.

Need more experience and Data points on that.

peetah: I think I'm the only DarkiJah on the internet you know :)

DarkiJah: Please stick to topic related content.

Martin, no there was no such agreement. And I doubt there will be.

There is no agreement anyway

yeah

People use whatever they want. Some use Jabber, some use XMPP, some use Jabber/XMPP, some use zimpy, some use birdie

*one uses birdie 😛

Sure. Not that I'm defending this one, but it's the same :)

He's just spamming all channels with this made up "better than xmpp" name that he mindstormed one day on another channel.

peetah, do you still need a few words for the XEP-0420 changes?

Licaon_Kter, just ignore it..

vanitasvitae: yes please, I would like to understand how each items of the update log have an impact on clients, servers and/or simple users

well, given that nobody is implementing 0420 yet... 😛

peetah, probably "not" at the moment

One change allows for increased entropy when using random padding, which should marginally increase security.

Another modification corrects the definition of which elements are allowed/forbidden inside the encrypted payload. The earlier definition was wrong, so this is more a "bugfix" 😛

(this was about the first line about origin-id elements)

So those are very minor changes altogether.

the idea is to make this section less cryptic for newcomers, so that they do not feel the newsletter is only for hardcore devs

ok so it is very much a WIP for now

but these info already makes this update more end-user friendly

thanks vanitasvitae

Basically it boils down to "0.3.0 of XEP-0420 made some changes to the guidelines of which elements are allowed/denied to be encrypted. There also has been a change that should marginally increase security by increasing the entropy of random padding elements."

vanitasvitae: 👍

> vanitasvitae wrote: > *one uses birdie 😛 For now :)

> Licaon_Kter wrote: > He's just spamming all channels with this made up "better than xmpp" name that he mindstormed one day on another channel. XMPP name is utter terrible and catesthrophic... Really... I'm far from the only one who points it out guys.

Because it's not the point. Users don't have to hear about "XMPP"

Same goes for SMTP or HTTP

yet everyone uses it happily

https://share.conversations.im/darkijahu/KBfm2MfoLDo6Wp6P/Screenshot_2020-07-28-11-01-20.png

pep.: if we want the platform to/grow and more programmers I would think we would ;)

Who's "we"?

(both of them)

pep.: the whole of things.

Maybe define your target and them come back to me

Target - all the world? ✏

Right

DarkiJah: Offtopic, please go to another channel for general discussions

Everybody who likes some freedom from big criminal companies who wants to be free of them smelling their asses and jailing them in! Free as a Birdie - Get on Sending Birds! ✏

emus: thats the thing not that many arround in English. We need to extract more people and make them aware of this wonderful platform.

Anyway I'll take a break.

emus: I think that, after review by someone else, my PR is ready to be merged

emus, in the description of #730 it is stated that "You don't need a command-line tool or any knowledge of git to commit your changes. Just add your comment as follows: Click the Files changed ribbon, then the three dots on the top right, then Edit file."

however, this option is probably disabled for many (it is for me at least)

I guess it is enabled for you because you have write access to the repo.

vanitasvitae: are you on MASTER?

Left side upper part?

You don't need write access as it first clones it for you then it edits

Licaon_Kter, I was here: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/730/files

I know how to create PRs, just want to note that the tips in the PRs description might not work for anybody

I understood...

"...then View file and then finally Edit" ✏

"...then View file and then finally Edit by clicking the pencil icon." ✏

"you must be on a branch to..."

Branch? I just followed your link

It creates a branch after the edit

vanitasvitae, Licaon_Kter: Okay, then I maybe just tell them to create an issue, or drop their info here. I dont want to hurdle people too much.

vanitasvitae: Can you make an issue an link me for reminding?

wurstsalat: the last PR IO submitted proposes to remove the various authors of the XEP changelogs, since it is not informative for anyone outside of the XEP contribution process

do you have any objection ? ✏

peetah, I’m alright with that!

fine, thanks

Guus, if you find the time, a review of https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/743 would be much appreciated. I’d be willing to do more work following that :)

emus, I created an issue for the description and also another PR for jxmpp 🙂 https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/752

vanitasvitae: Thank you, I saw the email already 👍

wurstsalat: merge it, deploy it, roll back in case of issues?

I'm on holiday, don't know when I will pull out the laptop. Downloading large binaries might be a no-no on this camping park

Guus, enjoy your holiday! Merging that PR would need a pelican update as well, so I’ll wait until this can be tested properly :)

So everyone, be reminded that the Review Phase starts at the 1st of August, closing by 3rd for final review. Still, if you could provide "your" missing information by end of July that would be great!