XSF Communications Team - 2020-07-28

  1. wurstsalat

    emus: not me :)

  2. DarkiJah

    Pix-Art Rocks!

  3. DarkiJah

    Best client for Birdie

  4. Licaon_Kter

    DarkiJah: stop it

  5. DarkiJah

    Licaon_Kter: But it is the best Client for Birdie! :)

  6. DarkiJah

    Putting some more sanity into conversations for some userbility for the user.

  7. DarkiJah

    Pix-Art in a nut shell.

  8. DarkiJah

    Conversations should adopt some of the ideas of Chris I think.

  9. DarkiJah

    Anyway both are great and stable clients - Rock solid for Birdie.

  10. DarkiJah

    But Pix-Art just has an edge on sane userbility.

  11. SouL

    DarkiJah: what are the differences?

  12. DarkiJah

    SouL: try it out and you will see :)

  13. DarkiJah

    Enough differences that you should notice the sharper edge of Pix-Art.

  14. DarkiJah

    Even if it is a Fork it has enough things to make it is own.

  15. DarkiJah

    SouL: if you like Conversations you should come to love Pix-Art

  16. DarkiJah

    You want the channel info? Push the channel name... Thats one.

  17. DarkiJah

    Wanna ban a user quick or see the picture push on the image for a menu or your own.

  18. DarkiJah

    For your own profile info.

  19. DarkiJah

    Name above the msg and not below.

  20. DarkiJah

    Things of that nature - SouL

  21. DarkiJah

    Name coloring.

  22. DarkiJah

    Sending of files and microphone in a smart way easy at hand.

  23. DarkiJah


  24. DarkiJah

    And when writing turn to a send icon

  25. DarkiJah


  26. DarkiJah

    This ----->

  27. DarkiJah


  28. DarkiJah


  29. DarkiJah


  30. DarkiJah

    Options sorted in "folder"

  31. DarkiJah


  32. DarkiJah

    SouL: so very much a like and yet difference and Pix-Art take the price.

  33. DarkiJah


  34. DarkiJah

    Easy quick and just close to your fingertips :)

  35. Licaon_Kter

    DarkiJah: effing stop

  36. peetah

    DarkiJah: what you're doing is close to spam; if you want to be useful, write a blog post about Pix Art that could be linked in the newsletter, or contribute a PR about the last released 2.5.x versions

  37. DarkiJah

    peetah: https://JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life/Birdie.php I'm on it :)

  38. DarkiJah

    peetah: https://JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life/birdie.php I'm on it :)

  39. DarkiJah

    Small b in Birdie. My bad.

  40. DarkiJah


  41. Martin

    Was there an agreement to call xmpp birdie?

  42. peetah

    oh, did not see that you were *that* DarkiJah … I, for sure, won't include a link to a proselytist web site in the newsletter

  43. DarkiJah

    Martin: well... I think it is the way to go, I will go with it and see if something can come out of it so we can get some more people on this platform :)

  44. DarkiJah

    peetah: no worries, no one forces you to do anything. But I'm waiting for converse 7 for the website and then need to make a newbie manual for getting started quickly.

  45. DarkiJah

    Need to figure out what server to recommend as well for user account.

  46. DarkiJah

    Need more experience and Data points on that.

  47. DarkiJah

    peetah: I think I'm the only DarkiJah on the internet you know :)

  48. emus

    DarkiJah: Please stick to topic related content.

  49. vanitasvitae

    Martin, no there was no such agreement. And I doubt there will be.

  50. pep.

    There is no agreement anyway

  51. vanitasvitae


  52. pep.

    People use whatever they want. Some use Jabber, some use XMPP, some use Jabber/XMPP, some use zimpy, some use birdie

  53. vanitasvitae

    *one uses birdie 😛

  54. pep.

    Sure. Not that I'm defending this one, but it's the same :)

  55. Licaon_Kter

    He's just spamming all channels with this made up "better than xmpp" name that he mindstormed one day on another channel.

  56. vanitasvitae

    peetah, do you still need a few words for the XEP-0420 changes?

  57. pep.

    Licaon_Kter, just ignore it..

  58. peetah

    vanitasvitae: yes please, I would like to understand how each items of the update log have an impact on clients, servers and/or simple users

  59. vanitasvitae

    well, given that nobody is implementing 0420 yet... 😛

  60. pep.

    peetah, probably "not" at the moment

  61. vanitasvitae

    One change allows for increased entropy when using random padding, which should marginally increase security.

  62. vanitasvitae

    Another modification corrects the definition of which elements are allowed/forbidden inside the encrypted payload. The earlier definition was wrong, so this is more a "bugfix" 😛

  63. vanitasvitae

    (this was about the first line about origin-id elements)

  64. vanitasvitae

    So those are very minor changes altogether.

  65. peetah

    the idea is to make this section less cryptic for newcomers, so that they do not feel the newsletter is only for hardcore devs

  66. peetah

    ok so it is very much a WIP for now

  67. peetah

    but these info already makes this update more end-user friendly

  68. peetah

    thanks vanitasvitae

  69. vanitasvitae

    Basically it boils down to "0.3.0 of XEP-0420 made some changes to the guidelines of which elements are allowed/denied to be encrypted. There also has been a change that should marginally increase security by increasing the entropy of random padding elements."

  70. Licaon_Kter

    vanitasvitae: 👍

  71. DarkiJah

    > vanitasvitae wrote: > *one uses birdie 😛 For now :)

  72. DarkiJah

    > Licaon_Kter wrote: > He's just spamming all channels with this made up "better than xmpp" name that he mindstormed one day on another channel. XMPP name is utter terrible and catesthrophic... Really... I'm far from the only one who points it out guys.

  73. pep.

    Because it's not the point. Users don't have to hear about "XMPP"

  74. vanitasvitae

    Same goes for SMTP or HTTP

  75. vanitasvitae

    yet everyone uses it happily

  76. DarkiJah


  77. DarkiJah

    pep.: if we want the platform to/grow and more programmers I would think we would ;)

  78. pep.

    Who's "we"?

  79. pep.

    (both of them)

  80. DarkiJah

    pep.: the whole of things.

  81. pep.

    Maybe define your target and them come back to me

  82. DarkiJah

    Target all the world?

  83. DarkiJah

    Target - all the world?

  84. pep.


  85. emus

    DarkiJah: Offtopic, please go to another channel for general discussions

  86. DarkiJah

    Everybody who likes some freedom from big criminal companies who wants to be free of them smelling there asses and jailing them in! Free as a Birdie - Get on Sending Birds!

  87. DarkiJah

    Everybody who likes some freedom from big criminal companies who wants to be free of them smelling their asses and jailing them in! Free as a Birdie - Get on Sending Birds!

  88. DarkiJah

    emus: thats the thing not that many arround in English. We need to extract more people and make them aware of this wonderful platform.

  89. DarkiJah

    Anyway I'll take a break.

  90. peetah

    emus: I think that, after review by someone else, my PR is ready to be merged

  91. vanitasvitae

    emus, in the description of #730 it is stated that "You don't need a command-line tool or any knowledge of git to commit your changes. Just add your comment as follows: Click the Files changed ribbon, then the three dots on the top right, then Edit file."

  92. vanitasvitae

    however, this option is probably disabled for many (it is for me at least)

  93. vanitasvitae

    I guess it is enabled for you because you have write access to the repo.

  94. Licaon_Kter

    vanitasvitae: are you on MASTER?

  95. Licaon_Kter

    Left side upper part?

  96. Licaon_Kter

    You don't need write access as it first clones it for you then it edits

  97. vanitasvitae

    Licaon_Kter, I was here: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/730/files

  98. vanitasvitae

    I know how to create PRs, just want to note that the tips in the PRs description might not work for anybody

  99. Licaon_Kter

    I understood...

  100. Licaon_Kter

    "...then view file and then finally Edit"

  101. Licaon_Kter

    "...then View file and then finally Edit"

  102. Licaon_Kter

    "...then View file and then finally Edit by clicking the pencil icon."

  103. vanitasvitae

    "you must be on a branch to..."

  104. Licaon_Kter

    Branch? I just followed your link

  105. Licaon_Kter

    It creates a branch after the edit

  106. emus

    vanitasvitae, Licaon_Kter: Okay, then I maybe just tell them to create an issue, or drop their info here. I dont want to hurdle people too much.

  107. emus

    vanitasvitae: Can you make an issue an link me for reminding?

  108. peetah

    wurstsalat: the last PR IO submitted proposes to remove the various authors of the XEP changelogs, since it is not informative for anyone outside of the XEP contribution process

  109. peetah

    do you think this is an issue ?

  110. peetah

    do you have any objection ?

  111. wurstsalat

    peetah, I’m alright with that!

  112. peetah

    fine, thanks

  113. wurstsalat

    Guus, if you find the time, a review of https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/743 would be much appreciated. I’d be willing to do more work following that :)

  114. vanitasvitae

    emus, I created an issue for the description and also another PR for jxmpp 🙂 https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/752

  115. emus

    vanitasvitae: Thank you, I saw the email already 👍

  116. Guus

    wurstsalat: merge it, deploy it, roll back in case of issues?

  117. Guus

    I'm on holiday, don't know when I will pull out the laptop. Downloading large binaries might be a no-no on this camping park

  118. wurstsalat

    Guus, enjoy your holiday! Merging that PR would need a pelican update as well, so I’ll wait until this can be tested properly :)

  119. emus

    So everyone, be reminded that the Review Phase starts at the 1st of August, closing by 3rd for final review. Still, if you could provide "your" missing information by end of July that would be great!