XSF Communications Team - 2020-08-06

  1. debacle has left

  2. Alex has left

  3. kikuchiyo has left

  4. kikuchiyo has joined

  5. SouL has joined

  6. alacer has joined

  7. kikuchiyo has left

  8. Licaon_Kter has joined

  9. kikuchiyo has joined

  10. winfried has left

  11. winfried has joined

  12. SouL has left

  13. SouL has joined

  14. emus has joined

  15. emus

    debacle: Hmm, I have no idea - but you should be able to transfer the color into a better printabale spectrum, right?

  16. goffi has joined

  17. jcbrand has joined

  18. emus

    dies anyone have a ycominator account and can post the newsletter after release?

  19. emus

    does anyone have a ycominator account and can post the newsletter after release?

  20. kikuchiyo has left

  21. goffi has left

  22. goffi has joined

  23. Licaon_Kter

    emus: really, why bother? It will be about Matrix and IRC and Pidgin...

  24. winfried has left

  25. winfried has joined

  26. winfried has left

  27. winfried has joined

  28. winfried has left

  29. winfried has joined

  30. winfried has left

  31. winfried has joined

  32. winfried has left

  33. winfried has joined

  34. kikuchiyo has joined

  35. kikuchiyo has left

  36. winfried has left

  37. winfried has joined

  38. winfried has left

  39. winfried has joined

  40. winfried has left

  41. winfried has joined

  42. Alex has joined

  43. winfried has left

  44. winfried has joined

  45. emus has left

  46. kikuchiyo has joined

  47. kikuchiyo has left

  48. intosi has joined

  49. debacle has joined

  50. kikuchiyo has joined

  51. kikuchiyo has left

  52. winfried has left

  53. winfried has joined

  54. vanitasvitae has left

  55. vanitasvitae has joined

  56. winfried has left

  57. alkino has joined

  58. winfried has joined

  59. winfried has left

  60. winfried has joined

  61. kikuchiyo has joined

  62. jcbrand has left

  63. jcbrand has joined

  64. emus has joined

  65. emus

    Let them bothere what they want.

  66. Licaon_Kter


  67. alacer has left

  68. alacer has joined

  69. emus


  70. Licaon_Kter

    As iNPUTmice said on the C muc, Matrix has this stream of info, that even if does not amount to anything now ( _soon p2p_, _soon dendrite_ etc) it does make Matrix seem current, always developing, always in the news So, yeah, having the same for XMPP is not bad

  71. Licaon_Kter

    Here. For August newsletter Dino gets funding for A/V christian: https://nlnet.nl/project/Dino/

  72. Licaon_Kter

    Here. For August newsletter Dino gets funding for A/V https://nlnet.nl/project/Dino/

  73. emus

    uh nice

  74. kikuchiyo has left

  75. kikuchiyo has joined

  76. kikuchiyo has left

  77. kikuchiyo has joined

  78. kikuchiyo has left

  79. kikuchiyo has joined

  80. winfried has left

  81. winfried has joined

  82. alacer has left

  83. alacer has joined

  84. alacer has left

  85. alacer has joined

  86. winfried has left

  87. winfried has joined

  88. peetah has joined

  89. winfried has left

  90. winfried has joined

  91. kikuchiyo has left

  92. debacle has left

  93. kikuchiyo has joined

  94. kikuchiyo has left

  95. kikuchiyo has joined

  96. kikuchiyo has left

  97. peetah has left

  98. kikuchiyo has joined

  99. kikuchiyo has left

  100. kikuchiyo has joined

  101. kikuchiyo has left

  102. kikuchiyo has joined

  103. kikuchiyo has left

  104. kikuchiyo has joined

  105. winfried has left

  106. winfried has joined

  107. peetah has joined

  108. ralphm has left

  109. ralphm has joined

  110. winfried has left

  111. winfried has joined

  112. peetah has left

  113. debacle has joined

  114. debacle

    emus, yes, of course I can change the logo. However, it would be nice, if there were an "official version", so that everybody in need would use the same one. Also, I'm lazy^Wbusy! ;-)

  115. emus

    Does anyone know who designed the logo?

  116. debacle

    People in the free software community should talk to designers before they decide for a logo. Take e.g. the new Debian logo. The old one (a kind of chicken, maybe a penguin poult) was ugly, but it was relatively good for printing. The new one is beautiful, but when you need to print it in some kind of material, e.g. laser cutting or certain types of prints on textile, you suffer from the very difficult form with far too many edges.

  117. goffi

    emus: Raja SANDHU for XMPP Standards Foundation (cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:XMPP_logo.svg), I think it's indicated somewhere on xmpp.org too.

  118. debacle

    Bad: Too many colours.

  119. debacle

    Bad: Gradients.

  120. debacle

    Bad: Too complicated forms.

  121. emus

    goffi: Thank you verymuch!

  122. debacle

    XMPP logo suffers from 1 and 2, Debian from 3.

  123. goffi

    debacle: I think a designer has been paid for XMPP logo, cf. my message above.

  124. emus

    debacle: Because its not matchen your kitchen its not bad design πŸ˜‰

  125. emus

    debacle: Because its not matching your kitchen its not bad design πŸ˜‰

  126. debacle

    emus, no, it's not about taste. It's about practical use.

  127. emus

    Sorry, misread chicken witj kitchen

  128. peetah has joined

  129. debacle

    Ah OK ;-)

  130. emus

    Yes I know. but its also lots of workz that were very different times

  131. debacle

    If I ask a designer to create a logo, the designer might ask me: Is it mainly for online usage, is it supposed to be used in different resolutions, esp. very small and very large, is printing important or not.

  132. debacle

    Depending on my answers, they will produce different things, of course.

  133. debacle

    The XMPP logo is not bad after all, but a version without gradients and less colours would be cool.

  134. pep.

    There's a "remake" of the logo used for the newsletter stuff on twitter / mastodon by somebody (who isn't joined atm apparently)

  135. pep.

    There's only 4 colors

  136. debacle

    pep. That's a step in the right direction! ;-)

  137. pep.


  138. pep.

    I do prefer this one :)

  139. debacle

    That's nice, indeed!

  140. emus

    It is!

  141. debacle

    If the green in the "wing" were replaced with the dark green of the letters, we would go down to three colours. What do you think?

  142. emus

    Actually I would do it vice versa

  143. emus

    use the XMPP green

  144. debacle

    The other way, having the letters in light green gives bad contrast on the white background, unfortunately.

  145. emus

    also remove the fourth blue

  146. emus

    hmm I think it can still work

  147. debacle

    The blue on both wings are identical, emus

  148. emus

    in the right corner

  149. debacle

    which is the official "XMPP green" emus?

  150. emus

    from the logo?

  151. debacle

    emus, ah, OK, I ignored the multi colour line on the bottom anyway ;-)

  152. debacle

    I just looked at the symbol and the "XMPP" letters

  153. emus

    just saying

  154. emus


  155. debacle

    the official XMPP logo has two types of green, light and dark

  156. debacle

    we should use only one for the enhanced logo

  157. debacle

    I slightly prefer the dark, if the letters are supposed to be green, because of contrast

  158. debacle

    However, we could use the light green and make the letters blue

  159. debacle

    Or maybe even the orange, which fits my XMPP hoody!

  160. debacle

    (which has black letters on orange background)

  161. emus

    debacle: Maybe you can propse you thought into an issue on github?

  162. debacle

    I always have technical problems with GH. They hate me ;-) But I post one or two or three SVGs here, OK?

  163. peetah has left

  164. emus

    Is fine for me

  165. emus

    actually I thought only about you thoughts, but svg would be fine of course

  166. winfried has left

  167. winfried has joined

  168. winfried has left

  169. winfried has joined

  170. ralphm has left

  171. ralphm has joined

  172. kikuchiyo has left

  173. debacle


  174. debacle


  175. debacle


  176. debacle


  177. debacle


  178. debacle

    Five variants, that all use only three colours each.

  179. debacle

    And no gradients ;-)

  180. SouL

    Third variant is pretty cool

  181. debacle

    emus goffi pep. Any opinion? (AFK now, but back soon.)

  182. Licaon_Kter

    > Third variant is pretty cool +1

  183. winfried has left

  184. winfried has joined

  185. winfried has left

  186. winfried has joined

  187. Licaon_Kter has left

  188. emus

    Third one is really nice! please drop them to Github!

  189. emus

    ###### Anyway, I have to ask to freeze the discussion for a few minutes because I am releasing the July Newsletter now and may need support #######

  190. goffi

    1 and 3 for me, I don't like the other ones (looks like they've been washed too much)

  191. goffi

    debacle: ^

  192. Guus has left

  193. Guus has joined

  194. rion has left

  195. winfried has left

  196. winfried has joined

  197. winfried has left

  198. winfried has joined

  199. wurstsalat

    3 looks nice

  200. Licaon_Kter has joined

  201. Wojtek has joined

  202. ralphm has left

  203. ralphm has joined

  204. emus

    It rendered nearly perfect! https://xmpp.org/2020/08/newsletter-06-august/

  205. emus

    Email to more than 430 subscribers!

  206. Licaon_Kter

    Eh, I knew I had to mention the eturnal support MUC, just seen the WA bridge one there :)

  207. alacer has left

  208. alacer has joined

  209. emus

    Yeah, with the next newsletter we can use the links.

  210. emus

    I also started to think about two possible improvements:

  211. emus

    - Dont continue writing the date of the Newsletter - just call the month and also do that for each branch etc. Its absolutely confusing I think

  212. emus

    - Limit each news to 4 rendered lines in general, exceptions are okay

  213. Licaon_Kter

    Depends, eg Mongoose benchmark had too much imho

  214. emus

    So, one with a newscombinator account may drop it there - that would be great. I still have no access to the social media accounts

  215. Licaon_Kter

    Monal had the proper link but I explained what xep is now supported, its title and the normie info, what should be skipped?

  216. emus

    No clue, we can also make ut 6 rendered lines. but those should not be too much. lets say at least if there is a lot content

  217. Licaon_Kter

    > - Limit each news to 4 rendered lines in general, exceptions are okay How long is a line? :)) classic 80 chars?

  218. Licaon_Kter

    Profanity had no link to release :n

  219. Licaon_Kter

    Profanity had no link to release :(

  220. emus


  221. emus

    yeah - put to list: Links should be cross check in an "extra review"

  222. intosi has left

  223. winfried has left

  224. winfried has joined

  225. peetah has joined

  226. emus

    I got a hint that the Newsletter goes into some peoples spam folders. Does anyone have similar experience? jcbrand, SouL:

  227. Wojtek has left

  228. emus

    eventually spam protection gets triggered by nycos private email. Maybe we should change it to an official commteam one

  229. emus

    mail4.tinyletterapp.com maybe it should be something like this at the end

  230. winfried has left

  231. winfried has joined

  232. peetah has left

  233. Wojtek has joined

  234. debacle

    emus https://framasphere.org/posts/b9c25460ba3d0138b6cf2a0000053625

  235. emus


  236. debacle has left

  237. debacle has joined

  238. pep.


  239. pep.

    Let the trolls come now

  240. emus


  241. wurstsalat

    Wow, reading the newsletter I realize how many things happened last month. Good read! :)

  242. emus


  243. debacle

    emus https://framapiaf.org/@debacle/104643920501318043

  244. SouL

    > I got a hint that the Newsletter goes into some peoples spam folders. Does anyone have similar experience? First time I hear this. From working in ecommerce, I know if people put it into the spam folder, Gmail puts you into the spammers list. In our case I want to think this does not happen of course 😁

  245. debacle

    OK, version 3 was the most popular one, so here is a variant of it:

  246. debacle


  247. emus


  248. emus

    Can you upload this to the Github repo?

  249. emus

    In an issue or so?

  250. Licaon_Kter

    SouL: put it in spam and end up in spam is different

  251. intosi has joined

  252. eta has left

  253. eta has joined

  254. goffi has left

  255. winfried has left

  256. winfried has joined

  257. winfried has left

  258. winfried has joined

  259. kikuchiyo has joined

  260. kikuchiyo has left

  261. kikuchiyo has joined

  262. kikuchiyo has left

  263. kikuchiyo has joined

  264. kikuchiyo has left

  265. kikuchiyo has joined

  266. kikuchiyo has left

  267. kikuchiyo has joined

  268. kikuchiyo has left

  269. kikuchiyo has joined

  270. alkino has left

  271. alkino has joined

  272. winfried has left

  273. winfried has joined

  274. Licaon_Kter has left

  275. debacle

    emus, I tried, but I have too many technical difficulties with github. First, they don't like one browser, because it is too old, than, they don't like that the other does not support JS, now I can't attach SVGs to an issue - I just give up on github for now.

  276. debacle

    it would be nice, if somebodyβ„’ (= not me) could upload all six variants to a github issue and more people could comment on pros and cons

  277. debacle

    so far, I believe that variant no. 6 is not too bad for printing on textile and not too ugly

  278. pep.

    debacle, fwiw, I don't like any of the XMPP logo you sent :p

  279. pep.

    Or rather I preferred the one used for the newsletter

  280. alkino has left

  281. Vaulor has left

  282. emus

    I can drop them into an unofficial folder

  283. winfried has left

  284. winfried has joined

  285. winfried has left

  286. winfried has joined

  287. winfried has left

  288. winfried has joined

  289. SouL has left

  290. debacle

    pep. can you add that one to the list then? the only drawback of the newsletter version is, that it has one colour more, four instead of three, but if the colour of the letters were changed to one of the logo colours, that would be solved. Four colours is just more expensive to print than three colours ;-)

  291. debacle

    emus, it would be nice if we could vote for one "semi-official" logo, so that people printing the logo could all use the same one - and then remove the non-voted ones.

  292. debacle

    btw. does a SVG version of the newsletter version exist?

  293. debacle

    pep. here is the newsletter variant, just with the letters in one of the logo colours, to reduce from four to three colours:

  294. debacle


  295. debacle

    I hope, that I got the colours right.

  296. debacle

    Fortunately, I'm not a designer. I'm really bad when it comes to aesthetics. I just want a cheap-to-print logo ;-)

  297. intosi has left

  298. debacle has left