XSF Communications Team - 2020-08-06

debacle: Hmm, I have no idea - but you should be able to transfer the color into a better printabale spectrum, right?

does anyone have a ycominator account and can post the newsletter after release? ✏

emus: really, why bother? It will be about Matrix and IRC and Pidgin...

Let them bothere what they want.

:))

right?

As iNPUTmice said on the C muc, Matrix has this stream of info, that even if does not amount to anything now ( _soon p2p_, _soon dendrite_ etc) it does make Matrix seem current, always developing, always in the news So, yeah, having the same for XMPP is not bad

Here. For August newsletter Dino gets funding for A/V https://nlnet.nl/project/Dino/ ✏

uh nice

emus, yes, of course I can change the logo. However, it would be nice, if there were an "official version", so that everybody in need would use the same one. Also, I'm lazy^Wbusy! ;-)

Does anyone know who designed the logo?

People in the free software community should talk to designers before they decide for a logo. Take e.g. the new Debian logo. The old one (a kind of chicken, maybe a penguin poult) was ugly, but it was relatively good for printing. The new one is beautiful, but when you need to print it in some kind of material, e.g. laser cutting or certain types of prints on textile, you suffer from the very difficult form with far too many edges.

emus: Raja SANDHU for XMPP Standards Foundation (cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:XMPP_logo.svg), I think it's indicated somewhere on xmpp.org too.

Bad: Too many colours.

Bad: Gradients.

Bad: Too complicated forms.

goffi: Thank you verymuch!

XMPP logo suffers from 1 and 2, Debian from 3.

debacle: I think a designer has been paid for XMPP logo, cf. my message above.

debacle: Because its not matching your kitchen its not bad design 😉 ✏

emus, no, it's not about taste. It's about practical use.

Sorry, misread chicken witj kitchen

Ah OK ;-)

Yes I know. but its also lots of workz that were very different times

If I ask a designer to create a logo, the designer might ask me: Is it mainly for online usage, is it supposed to be used in different resolutions, esp. very small and very large, is printing important or not.

Depending on my answers, they will produce different things, of course.

The XMPP logo is not bad after all, but a version without gradients and less colours would be cool.

There's a "remake" of the logo used for the newsletter stuff on twitter / mastodon by somebody (who isn't joined atm apparently)

There's only 4 colors

pep. That's a step in the right direction! ;-)

https://fosstodon.b-cdn.net/media_attachments/files/005/013/815/original/4a244fa79ece7326.jpeg

I do prefer this one :)

That's nice, indeed!

It is!

If the green in the "wing" were replaced with the dark green of the letters, we would go down to three colours. What do you think?

Actually I would do it vice versa

use the XMPP green

The other way, having the letters in light green gives bad contrast on the white background, unfortunately.

also remove the fourth blue

hmm I think it can still work

The blue on both wings are identical, emus

in the right corner

which is the official "XMPP green" emus?

from the logo?

emus, ah, OK, I ignored the multi colour line on the bottom anyway ;-)

I just looked at the symbol and the "XMPP" letters

just saying

sure

the official XMPP logo has two types of green, light and dark

we should use only one for the enhanced logo

I slightly prefer the dark, if the letters are supposed to be green, because of contrast

However, we could use the light green and make the letters blue

Or maybe even the orange, which fits my XMPP hoody!

(which has black letters on orange background)

debacle: Maybe you can propse you thought into an issue on github?

I always have technical problems with GH. They hate me ;-) But I post one or two or three SVGs here, OK?

Is fine for me

actually I thought only about you thoughts, but svg would be fine of course

https://xmpp.debian.org:5281/upload/-lpVN0mCekuBf3VZ/XMPP_logo_1.svg

https://xmpp.debian.org:5281/upload/3Qqa4k3A_lsJzGoM/XMPP_logo_2.svg

https://xmpp.debian.org:5281/upload/SMQRpshwhlF5uT2I/XMPP_logo_3.svg

https://xmpp.debian.org:5281/upload/Nv-JurYev7VaM94d/XMPP_logo_4.svg

https://xmpp.debian.org:5281/upload/geMIJ2zvXr0oOccz/XMPP_logo_5.svg

Five variants, that all use only three colours each.

And no gradients ;-)

Third variant is pretty cool

emus goffi pep. Any opinion? (AFK now, but back soon.)

> Third variant is pretty cool +1

Third one is really nice! please drop them to Github!

###### Anyway, I have to ask to freeze the discussion for a few minutes because I am releasing the July Newsletter now and may need support #######

1 and 3 for me, I don't like the other ones (looks like they've been washed too much)

debacle: ^

3 looks nice

It rendered nearly perfect! https://xmpp.org/2020/08/newsletter-06-august/

Email to more than 430 subscribers!

Eh, I knew I had to mention the eturnal support MUC, just seen the WA bridge one there :)

Yeah, with the next newsletter we can use the links.

I also started to think about two possible improvements:

- Dont continue writing the date of the Newsletter - just call the month and also do that for each branch etc. Its absolutely confusing I think

- Limit each news to 4 rendered lines in general, exceptions are okay

Depends, eg Mongoose benchmark had too much imho

So, one with a newscombinator account may drop it there - that would be great. I still have no access to the social media accounts

Monal had the proper link but I explained what xep is now supported, its title and the normie info, what should be skipped?

No clue, we can also make ut 6 rendered lines. but those should not be too much. lets say at least if there is a lot content

> - Limit each news to 4 rendered lines in general, exceptions are okay How long is a line? :)) classic 80 chars?

Profanity had no link to release :( ✏

😬️

yeah - put to list: Links should be cross check in an "extra review"

I got a hint that the Newsletter goes into some peoples spam folders. Does anyone have similar experience? jcbrand, SouL:

eventually spam protection gets triggered by nycos private email. Maybe we should change it to an official commteam one

mail4.tinyletterapp.com maybe it should be something like this at the end

emus https://framasphere.org/posts/b9c25460ba3d0138b6cf2a0000053625

yeah!

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24073845

Let the trolls come now

haha

Wow, reading the newsletter I realize how many things happened last month. Good read! :)

😎😍

emus https://framapiaf.org/@debacle/104643920501318043

> I got a hint that the Newsletter goes into some peoples spam folders. Does anyone have similar experience? First time I hear this. From working in ecommerce, I know if people put it into the spam folder, Gmail puts you into the spammers list. In our case I want to think this does not happen of course 😁

OK, version 3 was the most popular one, so here is a variant of it:

https://xmpp.debian.org:5281/upload/2gn1HUjAHvliSwfF/XMPP_logo_6.svg

👍️

Can you upload this to the Github repo?

In an issue or so?

SouL: put it in spam and end up in spam is different

emus, I tried, but I have too many technical difficulties with github. First, they don't like one browser, because it is too old, than, they don't like that the other does not support JS, now I can't attach SVGs to an issue - I just give up on github for now.

it would be nice, if somebody™ (= not me) could upload all six variants to a github issue and more people could comment on pros and cons

so far, I believe that variant no. 6 is not too bad for printing on textile and not too ugly

debacle, fwiw, I don't like any of the XMPP logo you sent :p

Or rather I preferred the one used for the newsletter

I can drop them into an unofficial folder

pep. can you add that one to the list then? the only drawback of the newsletter version is, that it has one colour more, four instead of three, but if the colour of the letters were changed to one of the logo colours, that would be solved. Four colours is just more expensive to print than three colours ;-)

emus, it would be nice if we could vote for one "semi-official" logo, so that people printing the logo could all use the same one - and then remove the non-voted ones.

btw. does a SVG version of the newsletter version exist?

pep. here is the newsletter variant, just with the letters in one of the logo colours, to reduce from four to three colours:

https://xmpp.debian.org:5281/upload/uJovULQbkgMOaC8h/XMPP_logo_7.svg

I hope, that I got the colours right.

Fortunately, I'm not a designer. I'm really bad when it comes to aesthetics. I just want a cheap-to-print logo ;-)