XSF Communications Team - 2020-09-11

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  3. Licaon_Kter

    peetah: scroll above please, so you don't duplicate

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  22. peetah

    sorry, I'll check the logs before posting from now on

  23. peetah

    Pretty sure this one was not seen here => BeagleIM 4.0 and Siskin 6.0 released: https://tigase.net/beagleim-4.0-and-siskin-6.0-released/

  24. wurstsalat

    peetah: please keep collecting. I don't mind duplicates :) they'll resolve anyway when adding content to the newsletter draft

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  34. peetah

    Does the cisco vulnerability CVE-2020-3495 considered worthy of the newletter ? it makes a lot of noise.

  35. peetah

    What bugs me is the mix made between cisco product and Jabber: in the article I run through, they are often taken one for another, considering that the flaw is in Jabber (the protocol) and not the cisco client

  36. peetah

    here is what I think is the original publication from the company that discovered the different flaws: https://watchcom.no/nyheter/nyhetsarkiv/uncovers-cisco-jabber-vulnerabilities/

  37. peetah

    s/in the article/in the articles/

  38. Martin

    Jabber *is* Cisco. I really don't like that jabber is widely misused as synonym for xmpp as people start mixing it up with the Cisco product jabber which is based on xmpp.

  39. Martin


  40. peetah

    Martin: enlighten me here please: years ago I first heard of Jabber as a protocol, then it became XMPP; do you mean that Jabber was first a cisco product then its protocol has been opened ?

  41. peetah

    oh thanks for the ink

  42. peetah

    oh thanks for the link

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  50. emus

    > sorry, I'll check the logs before posting from now on No problem, please keep up the good work!

  51. peetah

    I suggest that the next newsletter relay these two articles in the same news so that we talk about these vunerabilities and make a strong statement about the possible current confusion between Cisco Jabber and XMPP as described in the link Martin just posted

  52. emus

    > peetah: please keep collecting. I don't mind duplicates :) they'll resolve anyway when adding content to the newsletter draft yes

  53. peetah

    I don't remember having seen anything about limiting the newsletter to FOSS: is there something stated against proprietary softwares as I guess (without any real knowledge) Cisco Jabber is ?

  54. Martin

    XMPP can be used for closed source products as well (see games, grindr) so I don't see why we should not cover those in the newsletter as well.

  55. Licaon_Kter

    What, they aren't actively trying to hide its usage? :))

  56. peetah

    ok that's fine for me, it's just that I scarcely saw closed source softwares news in the newsletter

  57. emus

    I wonder if the licence should force at least naming that the technology is used 馃

  58. Martin

    What license?

  59. Martin

    If they don't use any OSS lib but implement it by looking at the specification they don't have to follow any license I guess.

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  62. emus

    Martin: I meant, the xmpp protocol has a license or, like gpl?

  63. Martin

    Not that I'm aware of, but I'm neither a protocol expert nor a lawyer. 馃槂

  64. emus

    so its usable without any license?

  65. Licaon_Kter

    It's an open spec, there's no license or price. Afaik

  66. emus

    Okay, thanks

  67. emus

    Martin: Need to think about it 馃

  68. emus

    you github comment

  69. Martin


  70. Martin

    It's a minor thing anyway.

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  73. peetah

    Martin: reading the small introduction to the article might bring the reader to use an online translator rather than skip the article altogether because of a language issue

  74. emus

    I just dont like any [ --- ] things in the beginning of a sentence 馃槄 but maybe that is my personal problem

  75. Martin

    I think people willing to read an article in another language by using a translator won't be scared away by mentioning at the beginning that another language is used. 馃槂

  76. emus

    Yes, but I meant this about "reading flow" and convienece

  77. emus

    its like a visual interuption to me

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  80. Guus

    > I wonder if the licence should force at least naming that the technology is used 馃 Cisco owns the Jabber trademark. The XSF has a pretty permissive (my qualification) license to use it.

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  84. emus

    Guus: You meant the jabber trademark, but not xmpp?

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  91. Guus

    Yes. I'm not sure if xmpp is trademarked at all.

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  105. Martin

    ralphm: Looks like p.j.o isn't updating anymore.

  106. Licaon_Kter

    Pleny of daily philosopy posts there :))

  107. Licaon_Kter

    Pleny of daily philosophy posts there :))

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  110. emus

    > Yes. I'm not sure if xmpp is trademarked at all. ok thx

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  125. ralphm

    There was a feed that tripped up Venus, leaving a gazillion zombie processes. Should be ok now.

  126. Martin

    ralphm: Works! Thanks. 馃槂

  127. ralphm

    xmpp is not, and probably cannot be trademarked. This was one of the goals choosing the name when we standardized at ietf

  128. emus


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  139. emus

    Hey guys, I created a poll on that language question: https://nuudel.digitalcourage.de/rCEGG1Jc3CIkDq1W everyone welcome to vote!

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  233. wurstsalat

    emus, I'd put the language tag directy after the link

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  235. Licaon_Kter

    In front...in front

  236. Martin

    emus: This noodle doesn't remember my choices. I filled it twice already.

  237. Martin

    In front green Behind yellow no mention red

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  245. emus

    > emus, I'd put the language tag directy after the link Ahh forgot to put that solution

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  252. wurstsalat

    update the noodle!

  253. emus

    Martin: you votet, but I am the only one who sees the outcome 馃檪 No worries, you will be informed

  254. emus

    I updated the noodle

  255. Martin


  256. wurstsalat

    I voted

  257. emus

    But I first voted also twice bwcause I forgot that I set that option 馃槄

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  270. vanitasvitae

    ^ strophe.js gets support for sharing a single websocket connection between two tabs

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