XSF Communications Team

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05:31:30 peetah sorry, I'll check the logs before posting from now on
05:32:28 peetah Pretty sure this one was not seen here => BeagleIM 4.0 and Siskin 6.0 released: https://tigase.net/beagleim-4.0-and-siskin-6.0-released/
05:34:55 wurstsalat peetah: please keep collecting. I don't mind duplicates :) they'll resolve anyway when adding content to the newsletter draft
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06:58:47 peetah Does the cisco vulnerability CVE-2020-3495 considered worthy of the newletter ? it makes a lot of noise.
07:00:47 peetah What bugs me is the mix made between cisco product and Jabber: in the article I run through, they are often taken one for another, considering that the flaw is in Jabber (the protocol) and not the cisco client
07:02:15 peetah here is what I think is the original publication from the company that discovered the different flaws: https://watchcom.no/nyheter/nyhetsarkiv/uncovers-cisco-jabber-vulnerabilities/
07:02:41 peetah s/in the article/in the articles/
07:03:04 Martin Jabber *is* Cisco. I really don't like that jabber is widely misused as synonym for xmpp as people start mixing it up with the Cisco product jabber which is based on xmpp.
07:04:45 Martin https://blog.windfluechter.net/content/blog/2020/06/09/1758-jabber-vs-xmpp
07:05:25 peetah Martin: enlighten me here please: years ago I first heard of Jabber as a protocol, then it became XMPP; do you mean that Jabber was first a cisco product then its protocol has been opened ?
07:05:34 peetah oh thanks for the ink
07:05:38 peetah oh thanks for the link
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07:15:16 emus > sorry, I'll check the logs before posting from now on No problem, please keep up the good work!
07:15:43 peetah I suggest that the next newsletter relay these two articles in the same news so that we talk about these vunerabilities and make a strong statement about the possible current confusion between Cisco Jabber and XMPP as described in the link Martin just posted
07:15:44 emus > peetah: please keep collecting. I don't mind duplicates :) they'll resolve anyway when adding content to the newsletter draft yes
07:17:39 peetah I don't remember having seen anything about limiting the newsletter to FOSS: is there something stated against proprietary softwares as I guess (without any real knowledge) Cisco Jabber is ?
07:18:47 Martin XMPP can be used for closed source products as well (see games, grindr) so I don't see why we should not cover those in the newsletter as well.
07:19:19 Licaon_Kter What, they aren't actively trying to hide its usage? :))
07:19:43 peetah ok that's fine for me, it's just that I scarcely saw closed source softwares news in the newsletter
07:21:04 emus I wonder if the licence should force at least naming that the technology is used 🤔
07:23:22 Martin What license?
07:24:43 Martin If they don't use any OSS lib but implement it by looking at the specification they don't have to follow any license I guess.
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07:41:27 emus Martin: I meant, the xmpp protocol has a license or, like gpl?
07:46:09 Martin Not that I'm aware of, but I'm neither a protocol expert nor a lawyer. 😃
07:57:02 emus so its usable without any license?
07:58:25 Licaon_Kter It's an open spec, there's no license or price. Afaik
08:10:04 emus Okay, thanks
08:11:04 emus Martin: Need to think about it 🤔
08:11:11 emus you github comment
08:11:41 Martin Ok
08:11:52 Martin It's a minor thing anyway.
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08:15:35 peetah Martin: reading the small introduction to the article might bring the reader to use an online translator rather than skip the article altogether because of a language issue
08:16:18 emus I just dont like any [ --- ] things in the beginning of a sentence 😅 but maybe that is my personal problem
08:16:54 Martin I think people willing to read an article in another language by using a translator won't be scared away by mentioning at the beginning that another language is used. 😃
08:20:09 emus Yes, but I meant this about "reading flow" and convienece
08:20:25 emus its like a visual interuption to me
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08:44:09 Guus > I wonder if the licence should force at least naming that the technology is used 🤔 Cisco owns the Jabber trademark. The XSF has a pretty permissive (my qualification) license to use it.
08:45:38 Guus https://xmpp.org/about/xsf/jabber-trademark/
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08:57:22 emus Guus: You meant the jabber trademark, but not xmpp?
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09:09:40 Guus Yes. I'm not sure if xmpp is trademarked at all.
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09:20:31 Martin ralphm: Looks like p.j.o isn't updating anymore.
09:29:02 Licaon_Kter Pleny of daily philosopy posts there :))
09:29:13 Licaon_Kter Pleny of daily philosophy posts there :))
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09:42:01 emus > Yes. I'm not sure if xmpp is trademarked at all. ok thx
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11:09:14 ralphm There was a feed that tripped up Venus, leaving a gazillion zombie processes. Should be ok now.
11:13:22 Martin ralphm: Works! Thanks. 😃
11:14:00 ralphm xmpp is not, and probably cannot be trademarked. This was one of the goals choosing the name when we standardized at ietf
11:14:49 emus 👍
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12:59:43 emus Hey guys, I created a poll on that language question: https://nuudel.digitalcourage.de/rCEGG1Jc3CIkDq1W everyone welcome to vote!
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14:52:26 wurstsalat emus, I'd put the language tag directy after the link
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14:57:54 Licaon_Kter In front...in front
14:57:58 Martin emus: This noodle doesn't remember my choices. I filled it twice already.
14:58:33 Martin In front green Behind yellow no mention red
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15:30:12 emus 🤔
15:30:52 emus > emus, I'd put the language tag directy after the link Ahh forgot to put that solution
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16:13:13 wurstsalat update the noodle!
16:18:22 emus Martin: you votet, but I am the only one who sees the outcome 🙂 No worries, you will be informed
16:18:32 emus I updated the noodle
16:18:57 Martin 😃
16:20:48 wurstsalat I voted
16:21:43 emus But I first voted also twice bwcause I forgot that I set that option 😅
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18:13:44 vanitasvitae https://mastodon.xyz/@jcbrand/104839965037571601
18:14:31 vanitasvitae ^ strophe.js gets support for sharing a single websocket connection between two tabs
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