Licaon_Kterpeetah: scroll above please, so you don't duplicate
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peetahsorry, I'll check the logs before posting from now on
peetahPretty sure this one was not seen here => BeagleIM 4.0 and Siskin 6.0 released: https://tigase.net/beagleim-4.0-and-siskin-6.0-released/
wurstsalatpeetah: please keep collecting. I don't mind duplicates :) they'll resolve anyway when adding content to the newsletter draft
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peetahDoes the cisco vulnerability CVE-2020-3495 considered worthy of the newletter ? it makes a lot of noise.
peetahWhat bugs me is the mix made between cisco product and Jabber: in the article I run through, they are often taken one for another, considering that the flaw is in Jabber (the protocol) and not the cisco client
peetahhere is what I think is the original publication from the company that discovered the different flaws: https://watchcom.no/nyheter/nyhetsarkiv/uncovers-cisco-jabber-vulnerabilities/
peetahs/in the article/in the articles/
MartinJabber *is* Cisco. I really don't like that jabber is widely misused as synonym for xmpp as people start mixing it up with the Cisco product jabber which is based on xmpp.
peetahMartin: enlighten me here please: years ago I first heard of Jabber as a protocol, then it became XMPP; do you mean that Jabber was first a cisco product then its protocol has been opened ?
peetahoh thanks for the ink
peetahoh thanks for the link
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emus> sorry, I'll check the logs before posting from now on
No problem, please keep up the good work!
peetahI suggest that the next newsletter relay these two articles in the same news so that we talk about these vunerabilities and make a strong statement about the possible current confusion between Cisco Jabber and XMPP as described in the link Martin just posted
emus> peetah: please keep collecting. I don't mind duplicates :) they'll resolve anyway when adding content to the newsletter draft
yes
peetahI don't remember having seen anything about limiting the newsletter to FOSS: is there something stated against proprietary softwares as I guess (without any real knowledge) Cisco Jabber is ?
MartinXMPP can be used for closed source products as well (see games, grindr) so I don't see why we should not cover those in the newsletter as well.
Licaon_KterWhat, they aren't actively trying to hide its usage? :))
peetahok that's fine for me, it's just that I scarcely saw closed source softwares news in the newsletter
emusI wonder if the licence should force at least naming that the technology is used 🤔
MartinWhat license?
MartinIf they don't use any OSS lib but implement it by looking at the specification they don't have to follow any license I guess.
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emusMartin: I meant, the xmpp protocol has a license or, like gpl?
MartinNot that I'm aware of, but I'm neither a protocol expert nor a lawyer. 😃
emusso its usable without any license?
Licaon_KterIt's an open spec, there's no license or price. Afaik
emusOkay, thanks
emusMartin: Need to think about it 🤔
emusyou github comment
MartinOk
MartinIt's a minor thing anyway.
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peetahMartin: reading the small introduction to the article might bring the reader to use an online translator rather than skip the article altogether because of a language issue
emusI just dont like any [ --- ] things in the beginning of a sentence 😅 but maybe that is my personal problem
MartinI think people willing to read an article in another language by using a translator won't be scared away by mentioning at the beginning that another language is used. 😃
emusYes, but I meant this about "reading flow" and convienece
emusits like a visual interuption to me
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Guus> I wonder if the licence should force at least naming that the technology is used 🤔
Cisco owns the Jabber trademark. The XSF has a pretty permissive (my qualification) license to use it.
Guushttps://xmpp.org/about/xsf/jabber-trademark/
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emusGuus: You meant the jabber trademark, but not xmpp?
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GuusYes. I'm not sure if xmpp is trademarked at all.
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Martinralphm: Looks like p.j.o isn't updating anymore.
Licaon_KterPleny of daily philosopy posts there :))
Licaon_KterPleny of daily philosophy posts there :))
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emus> Yes. I'm not sure if xmpp is trademarked at all.
ok thx
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ralphmThere was a feed that tripped up Venus, leaving a gazillion zombie processes. Should be ok now.
Martinralphm: Works! Thanks. 😃
ralphmxmpp is not, and probably cannot be trademarked. This was one of the goals choosing the name when we standardized at ietf
emus👍
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emusHey guys, I created a poll on that language question: https://nuudel.digitalcourage.de/rCEGG1Jc3CIkDq1W everyone welcome to vote!
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wurstsalatemus, I'd put the language tag directy after the link
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Licaon_KterIn front...in front
Martinemus: This noodle doesn't remember my choices. I filled it twice already.
MartinIn front green
Behind yellow
no mention red
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emus🤔
emus> emus, I'd put the language tag directy after the link
Ahh forgot to put that solution
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wurstsalatupdate the noodle!
emusMartin: you votet, but I am the only one who sees the outcome 🙂 No worries, you will be informed
emusI updated the noodle
Martin😃
wurstsalatI voted
emusBut I first voted also twice bwcause I forgot that I set that option 😅