XSF Communications Team - 2021-01-16

You still got personal twitter accs.? Thought next time signal (or any other messager) is in trouble keeing their server up, replying to their tweets explaining why this is one of many reasons federated infrastructure is important...and so on. (but pls no just somrthing like "better join exempeepee". If it's not educational it won't work to get the point across why federation is important ) In case one of us wrote something, we could post here the link to it, so that others might join in to create some discourse and be higher ranked. (I don't have twitter for the moment, so can't join in on that. Maybe somewhen next time.) Those signal tweets: https://nitter.net/signalapp/status/1350118809860886528

What you think about such idea?

I think we should make some outstanding tweets which let the people truely decide for the idea of xmpp. I will try to set sonething up tomorrow

> What you think about such idea? purplebeetroot: 👍️ Did you already reply to one of their posts?

Signal had some pics to be used as avatars for switchers, so I've made these:

https://upload.convorb.im/7c370453f738f2c0c995eaee643e5e0aba76aeb0/CvQxyCXf7inNhDNM6aH5JumVkjdqwg2bkBt7V6sV/dm5hCoZPQ2eCOvVvyksOfw.jpg

https://upload.convorb.im/7c370453f738f2c0c995eaee643e5e0aba76aeb0/oGEHVDeurMvOW0X7gDk0td8GNfgqhchHj99mm7yb/Ckn9FcaDR9u-eVM3a4bw_A.jpg

https://upload.convorb.im/7c370453f738f2c0c995eaee643e5e0aba76aeb0/XoxKQu0NLM2K3rwbzEGQxyRK1VB5ILNatuDDJqrf/dK8GP9pdQHeE8SNXZvU52Q.jpg

https://upload.convorb.im/7c370453f738f2c0c995eaee643e5e0aba76aeb0/092ZiusOaxFVb8qUFIkHL8hUAC5m6VO7Xl2OXstG/JeUqaC2YQKiPuceZuHxoWg.jpg

Licaon_Kter: Sweet. License?

Here are the XCFs so you can adapt to your client of choice and/or localize:

https://upload.convorb.im/7c370453f738f2c0c995eaee643e5e0aba76aeb0/lzZW2W62BWzquHUG1Or1ZXthYjRFv85j8Qhuyi1X/A8YxL8RXQv6MGtaHDpXXog.xcf

https://upload.convorb.im/7c370453f738f2c0c995eaee643e5e0aba76aeb0/WWZIZvBB3jWO7cnhgb5AUfYC928mJJcOkK3NOK5B/RA4VyX1HQtydZUrrIXzXwQ.xcf

Martin: > Sweet. License? The most lax available, Public Domain or whatever. There's no creative input in using logos my by others in GIMP ;) ✏

Someone more talented than me could have made them in true SVG.

> Martin: > The most lax available, Public Domain or whatever. Probably cc or whatever the conversations and quicksy logo are.

Yes...I'm no lawyer. I feel that those with the XMPP logo are nicer since you can just put Dino/Gajim/whatever and show it's not about a certain client but about the openness and interoperability. ✏

Also I had an idea of one with all the modern apps logos in a grid, C/Dino/Gajim/Siskin/Monal/etc and below "Let's talk on XMPP" :)

purplebeetroot: regarding signal, _"XMPP means that no one server gets overloaded, no one server holds all the users metadata, no one server blocks the messages of all users"_ _"XMPP servers admins feel the pain of Signal ops, but if one server is down, all the other still can operate, the ecosystem moved on, federation works for the users"_ _Signal, one service, 40mil new users, no one can talk. XMPP, thousand of servers, everyone can still talk."_ ✏

purplebeetroot: regarding signal, _"XMPP means that no one server gets overloaded, no one server holds all the users metadata, no one server blocks the messages of all users. The ecosystem moved on, left silos behind."_ _"XMPP servers admins feel the pain of Signal ops, but if one server is down, all the other still can operate, the ecosystem moved on, federation works for the users"_ _Signal, one service, 40mil new users, no one can talk. XMPP, thousand of servers, everyone can still talk."_ ✏

> purplebeetroot: 👍️ Did you already reply to one of their posts? No, I don't have a personal acc. I could use for such. (I'll get one for future use, but not for now.)

They will at one write that their service is up and running smoothly again. Being on of the first replies, *could* bring some nice reach. I don't know what's the best way to get more ore less instantly notified. Maybe rss feed reader would do the job. A bot that mirrors some of those feeds into a xmpp room would be nice too. Do we have bots to mirror rss feeds?

(Commenting with personal acc. and retweeting with official xmpp account, is what I would suggest to do)

> purplebeetroot: regarding signal, _"XMPP means that no one server gets overloaded, no one server holds all the users metadata, no one server blocks the messages of all users. The ecosystem moved on, left silos behind."_ > _"XMPP servers admins feel the pain of Signal ops, but if one server is down, all the other still can operate, the ecosystem moved on, federation works for the users"_ > _Signal, one service, 40mil new users, no one can talk. XMPP, thousand of servers, everyone can still talk."_ Sounds good. Just a though: Using instead of "one", "single one" and/or "single". It's more similiar to the word signal, and could help to mark the word with single as a narrative as in, signal being centralized chat. Not sure if that really make sense to do. Thought we need to remember that signal is compared to most other communication platforms super great and I'm happy that many switch from what's app to signal (sure I'd be more happy if it would be exempeepee they switched to)

I'm not native so I might...say wrong things :)

Downvote retweeting from the official xmpp for the same reasons as I think it's not a good idea to use it for writing in first place.

> Downvote retweeting from the official xmpp for the same reasons as I think it's not a good idea to use it for writing in first place. Not a good idea to use it for anything, or just not for that topic?

purplebeetroot: > sure I'd be more happy if it would be exempeepee they switched to) No one should care about the protocol, but more about it's properties Funny enough when switching away from WA they actually switched away from XMPP.

Right

purplebeetroot, not for this kind of biased marketing claims.

Ok. Fair enough.

purplebeetroot: > They will at one write that their service is up and running smoothly again It will still be a silo then too > WA, silo > Signal, silo > Why keep repeating the same mistake? > XMPP, federated network since 1999

shubiduh: > purplebeetroot, not for this kind of biased marketing claims. You mean this about my post above?

> purplebeetroot, not for this kind of biased marketing claims. When it comes to explaining the importance and posotive features of federation in contrast to centralised messengers such as WA, Signal or Telegram, would you have a suggestion so it's not just biased marketing claims?

Just stating the differences is not biased

(Thought maybe it's a good idea to do that kind of marketing if telegram or WA is in struggle with their server. I'd prefer to motivate such folks to switch over those that use signal....even so moxie and ecosystem. Hmm if I remember moxies last talk at ccc I'm fine again to also direct this marketing towards signal user...on the other hand I can't use conversations to call anyone while using Tor. Ppl need to use something.)

...nvm offtopic ✏

Licaon_Kter: nice work