XSF Communications Team - 2021-04-07

Licaon_Kter, sorry, 4th/5th time of what?

Snikket announced :) or is it that it wasn't announced "on that site" yet? :)

Your link is the first announcement I ever wrote, over 12 months ago

Oh, nvm me....I read April but the wrong year...sorry

This was linked from a random Fedi post

As for Snikket iOS, yeah, I'd have liked it to be out sooner

Where's the holdup? Tigase, you or Apple?

We're finalizing the work that's required before release

A bit of everything (except for Apple)

The plan was always to do the work in two halves (the first was OMEMO and some other stuff), the second half of the work hasn't happened yet

It was going to be decided partly based on feedback from the beta testers, which has now happened

You have 2-3 months of beta iirc What's the second part? Is Push solved? MUC push?

and it will include a chunk of UX work, which is harder to specify to Tigase than "Implement OMEMO for MUC, kthx"

_(sorry to OT)_

Push is already solved, MUC push is 95% there - I've just been too busy to fix the remaining 5% (which would happen server-side)

It will be fixed before the release

and yeah, just realised this isn't the Snikket MUC... just woke up :)

👍

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2021/04/wtf-signal-adds-cryptocurrency-support.html

not sure about that move

edhelas: there's a good thread here: https://nitter.snopyta.org/mcclure111/status/1379504328336097284 But were offtopic here

edhelas: But I dont think we should post that directly

no no, it's just to inform you, might help us to communicate and prepare things if we have some people that wants to migrate to other solutions

Might be worth someone here responding to: https://drewdevault.com/2021/04/07/The-next-chat-app.html

He *hates* XMPP IIRC so he didn't even mention it, but it mostly meets all the requirements he's talking about.

(ish)

Well if he hates XMPP and does not even mention it knowingly, how should we convince him=

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Yah, I don't know, that's why I bring it up here. It might not be about convincing him personally, but convincing others in the comments too.

Or maybe it's not worth it because he'll just get mad and shut down the conversation, I really don't know.

(Our tweet for the Newsletter actually: https://nitter.nixnet.services/xmpp/status/1379503198352900102#m many thanks to whom it posted!)

Sam, if you want we can try to update the website and point out those arguments?

I really don't know what's best, I just saw the post and was thinking out loud to see if others had any ideas :)

Maybe our own blog post would be a good idea? I could try to write something up this weekend

@sir hates anything not IRC, then again XMPP (biboumi actually) is a good IRC citizen I heard, his Matrix complaints are against their EEE strategy that forces broken bridges onto IRC (and XMPP for that matter)

> Sam, if you want we can try to update the website and point out those arguments? Sounds more adequate, in the myths section?

I don't think he really says anything about XMPP that would work in the myths section, but positioning XMPP as a thing to use instead of signal seems good (not that we can actually compete at all in terms of usability, but using this bitcoin thing as a way to drum up support for XMPP could be good)

> (Our tweet for the Newsletter actually: https://nitter.nixnet.services/xmpp/status/1379503198352900102#m many thanks to whom it posted!) Tks, already RT and Twitted mentioning @xmpp :-)

Sam: yes, but this needs a more general feel than being _a reaction_ to every blog post somewhere

Licaon_Kter: yah, I was thinking it could be a thing about how XMPP wouldn't have some of the same problems as signal? Signal got a huge boost when whatsapp changed its TOS recently, maybe we could do the same thing and catch some of the people bailing from signal?

I dunno, maybe I'll just try to write something this weekend, I don't know if it really needs a response or not though.

Sam: I feel XMPP already answered back in January... https://xmpp.org/2021/01/instant-messaging-its-not-about-the-app/ ✏

I'm thinking a current reaction to the signal thing, or maybe just a reply to point people at XMPP to the specific post I linked about it would be better.

Better than just having an older post I mean. We shoudl always be generating content.

He closed his Fedi, if you find how to access that mailing list used for blog reaction, see if any XMPP answers too

yah, I'll keep an eye on it or possibly respond at some point.

https://lists.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/public-inbox, FWIW

If anyone has time to proof read, this is a first draft of a reply to that article just to get his list followers thinking about it: https://gist.github.com/SamWhited/bd4ae0c6b5c406f1d40593280a23066f

I think it might also be reasonable to have a blog post specifically targeting the Signal changes, but that can come later.

LGTM

Cool, calling it "good enough" then since it's just a quick reply to a post :)

Thanks

https://lists.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/public-inbox/%3C08dd6c3d-b9f6-4b50-83b1-3fedbb763de8%40www.fastmail.com%3E

Cue a flood of people replying with how stupid this is, but at least I put XMPP out there as an option :)

Hey Sam, thanks for the effort! I actually got you response wrong, as I thought you wanted to write an entire blog post to this. So such a reply is fine of course! Please ignore people nothing else to do than blameing you rpost

emus (XSF Com. Team): oh no, I want to do both :) a blog post would more be targeted at the signal thing, not just this post

Actually we already covered this with the previous blog post, as its actually the same issue

I would prefer to adjust the myth page or so

--> anyway, if you would like to write a blog post, is fine

I support it (unfortunately I dont have time or a big idea what to write)

how can one read the entire thread on this page? 😀

I agree the topic is covered, I just think it helps to respond directly to the signal one and position ourselves as an alternative.

I think the thread will appear on that page when there are any other replies :)

ok, I was looking for the flood of people you mentioned

Oh no, that was in anticipation of tons of angry messages about how bad XMPP is :)

I don't know how many people actually follow this list

I just know this guy has a pretty big following in general

ah ok

who is he?

Sourcehut, KnightOS, Gemini, etc. he just makes a bunch of random small projects that have kind of a cult status

Oh, and he wrote large chunks of Wayland

ah ok, well not bad

Sam: let it go, you had your say... let Drew do his own research :)