XSF Communications Team - 2021-10-28

The XSF's first sponsored project has just been approved by the board if we want to send out a tweet or what not: https://opencollective.com/mam-plugin-for-xmppjs

I'll add it to the newsletter

Which projects use that?

Use what?

... matrix-bifrost Pfft

Oh, use xmpp.js? Yah, that's the main point of wanting MAM support I think, to fix Matrix's jank bridge

That goal won't help the ecosystem...but whatever, imho.

xmpp.js is part of the ecosystem and it will help xmpp.js, regardless of how you feel about Matrix.

We probably shouldn't penalize projects because they get *used* by something we don't like (although I also disagree and think the matrix bridge will help the ecosystem too and it's a good idea to improve it)

Though to be clear this is not an application for or on behalf of xmpp.js

(in case anyone communicates that)

The developers of this project are not affiliated, and it's not clear that the code would even be upstreamed (the xmpp.js dev told them to work on it as an out-of-tree plugin)

I specifically tried to call that out in the newsletter, probably good to mention it on any tweets or what not too

Sam: did I say penalize? I did not...

You said it doesn't promote the ecosystem, which seemed like you were saying "shouldn't be accepted for fiscal hosting" which is a penalty because someone you don't like uses them.

Did say what you're implying either.

I said we accepted them, you said it doesn't sound like that will help the ecosystem. It sounded like you were saying that in response.

If I misunderstood, my apologies, I'd be curious to know what you meant in that case?

I did not scroll way below to read, so I thought: _"Fund fixing MAM in xmppjs"_ is nice But once I scrolled it's actually: _"Fund matrix-bifrost fixes by fixing..."_ which is meh. Elsewhere _"funds, VCs, Slack killer, $30mil, etc element.io"_ So yeah, good luck with _"avoiding fragmentation in communities"_ and all that.

Right, so that still sounds like you were saying "we should not host this", but I think it's a benefit to the XMPP ecosystem to have better MAM support as well even if you disagree that Matrix should be allowed to use it, so I was saying we shouldn't peanlize them by denying sponsorship to them just because Matrix will also use it.

Again, I did not say "penalize" or "deny" or anything, scroll up and read again.

I didn't say you said that, I said it sounds like that's what you're saying. Or maybe implying would be a better way to phrase it.

I'm just saying, it sounds like you're pushing back against accepting them, so I'm explaining why I think we should.

I'm not a deciding person.

I also know that there's an issue with funds not being used, specially those from donations, so yeah, improve xmppjs, that's good.

I understand you're not a deciding person, but don't understand what either of these has to do with anything. Sorry, I guess I'm just not following.

Doesn't have anything to do with anything, you've engaged in a discussion to somehow defend this decision. There was no need for that.

Okay, it sounded like you were saying you disagree.

Just confirmed our first donation too; that's nice! Someone chipped in $25 USD to the XSF account.

Licaon_Kter, also just one more clarification - the XSF's own funds are not being used for this project

This whole fiscal hosting and open collective thing can be confusing the first time you encounter it, for sure (for me also the second and third times)

Basically it just means that people can send money to this project, and the XSF will look after those funds in its bank account, until the project wants to use them

and this is open to any XMPP project that meets the rules (open-source, etc.)

I should figure out how to convey this better when talking about it. Thanks MattJ!

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