praveenLicaon_Kter, I doubt anything will change their mind. But shared here in case someone is more optimistic than me.
singpolymaLicaon_Kter: oof, that mastodon thread is a disaster. Dogpile-defense against someone who just had an opinion about their own usage
emusDo you think at least our reply was not good?
singpolymaemus: I think the reply from @xmpp was ok, but the ensuing dogpile is a bad look on the community
emusYes, but I cannot prevent this
emusapart from interrupting here and there. But I need to be told where it happens. So let us know if you see somthing
Ramiro Romanitbh i dont know how people can reach these opinions. feels like they havent touched the xmpp ecosystem since after 2019
Licaon_Ktersingpolyma: the post is short and on point, to dismiss the FUD
The sht they post its their own, we can't change their mind they need to do it themselves.
singpolymaRamiro Romani: ehn, it's about use case and your corner of the world. Jabber has worked well for me in mobile since I got my second mobile device in ~2010 or so, but many people needed a good Android app and that was a long time coming. Some need r good iOS app and that's only really become a reality recently. Some want to send GIF or custom emoji a lot and most clients are still bad at both
singpolymaOr if you have friends who do use Jabber but all insist on using TUI clients or biboumi or something then you may think things don't work well because what you want doesn't match what your friends havn
singpolymaGIF, custom emoji, and link unrolling are all pretty high on my list if I ever get time to work on client stuff because so many of my contacts effectively need one of those
Licaon_KterCan TURN be (ab)used as a proxy? Surely I'm not the first to think of this...
singpolymaA proxy for what?
Licaon_KterAnonymize link preview...
singpolymaOh, you mean if target client wants to fetch a preview? Yeah, that's just not a good client design, there's no good way to make it work IMO
singpolymaTURN cannot be used for that, but even if it could you would be sending all links to your server
Licaon_KterYeah, many solutions, each with its own faults :(
singpolymaThe only way really is to either have the sending client at metadata, or to have a server or muc component add it, the latter only works if unencrypted if course✎
singpolymaThe only way really is to either have the sending client at metadata, or to have a server or muc component add it, the latter only works if unencrypted of course ✏
singpolymaBut neither of these is hard, just have to do it :)
singpolymaI think building rendering for the metadata to client, and then allowing MUC to annotate would be good first step
Licaon_KterWhat's the point exactly? Skipping a click/touch?
singpolymaWith media links especially can mean image or video inline in chat instead of opening browser for example
Ramiro Romanisingpolyma: this is definitely needed!