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https://jabbers.one:5281/upload/jIgc3sCympNWL1Rn/20220101_013718464.m4a
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emus
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yes I send a voice message
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Sam
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Thanks emus, happy new year to you too!
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Many Thanks ☺
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Ingolf
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'Literatur Café 7'
xmpp:test-ccc-1@conference.monocles.de?join
Der entsprechende 'Jitsi Meet' Raum:
https://meet.ffmuc.net/LiteraturCafé7
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praveen
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https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-build-meta/-/issues/454#note_1344288 should we respond to this claim? gnome is big and influential project.
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praveen: the toot that emus made above might be good :)
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I cant follow 100% what wou'd be the response?
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Licaon_Kter
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praveen: this sounds good?
https://fosstodon.org/@xmpp/107468589197565911
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> Snikket Private XMPP Chat on Oracle Cloud Free Tier - Virtually Potato
https://www.virtuallypotato.com/snikket-private-xmpp-chat-on-oracle-cloud-free-tier/
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Licaon_Kter, I doubt anything will change their mind. But shared here in case someone is more optimistic than me.
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Licaon_Kter: oof, that mastodon thread is a disaster. Dogpile-defense against someone who just had an opinion about their own usage
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Do you think at least our reply was not good?
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emus: I think the reply from @xmpp was ok, but the ensuing dogpile is a bad look on the community
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Yes, but I cannot prevent this
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I know
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apart from interrupting here and there. But I need to be told where it happens. So let us know if you see somthing
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tbh i dont know how people can reach these opinions. feels like they havent touched the xmpp ecosystem since after 2019
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14:15:59
singpolyma: the post is short and on point, to dismiss the FUD
The sht they post its their own, we can't change their mind they need to do it themselves.
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Ramiro Romani: ehn, it's about use case and your corner of the world. Jabber has worked well for me in mobile since I got my second mobile device in ~2010 or so, but many people needed a good Android app and that was a long time coming. Some need r good iOS app and that's only really become a reality recently. Some want to send GIF or custom emoji a lot and most clients are still bad at both
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Or if you have friends who do use Jabber but all insist on using TUI clients or biboumi or something then you may think things don't work well because what you want doesn't match what your friends havn
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GIF, custom emoji, and link unrolling are all pretty high on my list if I ever get time to work on client stuff because so many of my contacts effectively need one of those
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14:23:31
Link preview?
singpolyma
14:23:36
Licaon_Kter: yeah
Licaon_Kter
14:24:13
Can TURN be (ab)used as a proxy? Surely I'm not the first to think of this...
singpolyma
14:24:28
A proxy for what?
Licaon_Kter
14:25:04
Anonymize link preview...
singpolyma
14:25:44
Oh, you mean if target client wants to fetch a preview? Yeah, that's just not a good client design, there's no good way to make it work IMO
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TURN cannot be used for that, but even if it could you would be sending all links to your server
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14:27:50
Yeah, many solutions, each with its own faults :(
singpolyma
14:29:45
The only way really is to either have the sending client at metadata, or to have a server or muc component add it, the latter only works if unencrypted if course ✎
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14:30:03
The only way really is to either have the sending client at metadata, or to have a server or muc component add it, the latter only works if unencrypted of course ✏
singpolyma
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But neither of these is hard, just have to do it :)
singpolyma
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I think building rendering for the metadata to client, and then allowing MUC to annotate would be good first step
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14:33:35
What's the point exactly? Skipping a click/touch?
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14:34:18
With media links especially can mean image or video inline in chat instead of opening browser for example
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singpolyma: this is definitely needed!
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