XSF Communications Team - 2022-01-28

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  86. emus

    If there are volunteers to PR the onlinepad news into the current draft PR this would be highly appreciated

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  118. praveen

    I think xsf should have a page similar to https://matrix.to currently each app is having its own page like conversations.im/j or blabber.im/j etc

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  120. emus

    interesting. but how does it exactly work. only with public data right?

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  126. praveen

    It is basically a page anyone can open before they have a matrix app, it gives them a list of all apps for their platform.

  127. praveen

    For xmpp, we could also do it the same way.

  128. praveen

    xmpp: links work only if you already have an xmpp app.

  129. praveen

    Conversations and its forks have an option to share http URL of a group, I think it works only for public groups.

  130. praveen

    But these are tied to these apps

  131. praveen

    I think such a service should be available to all apps to use and list all apps for a platform that satisfies some minimum criteria.

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  138. Link Mauve

    praveen, do you mean something like https://yax.im/i/#commteam@muc.xmpp.org?join

  139. praveen

    Link Mauve: yes

  140. praveen

    Every app seems to have a different page

  141. Link Mauve

    Every XMPP service maybe you meant?

  142. Link Mauve

    I’m not aware of client-specific ones.

  143. praveen

    Link Mauve: https://blabber.im/j/commteam@muc.xmpp.org

  144. Link Mauve

    Right, this one both leaks the JID to their server, and assumes I submit to either Google or Apple.

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  146. Link Mauve

    Ok, so some clients do have this client-specific thing, meh. :/

  147. praveen

    Link Mauve: we are talking about public groups and no personal jid is shared

  148. Link Mauve

    s/j/i/ in the URL, and suddenly it’s a personal JID.

  149. Link Mauve

    But in either case, there is no need to leak it to the server is what I meant.

  150. praveen

    Link Mauve: it is optional

  151. praveen

    You are not mandated to use it

  152. Link Mauve

    Well, if you want to share a link with someone who might not use XMPP already, it’s kind of not optional. :p

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  154. praveen

    Link Mauve: what is your point?

  155. praveen

    Since you are worried about leaking jid, others who are fine with it should not have an option to use it?

  156. Link Mauve

    That the # character in the link I posted makes it much less of a surveillance device, and there is almost no reason not to use it.

  157. Link Mauve

    Anything after the # in an URL is not transmitted to the server, and for this kind of trivial page it really shouldn’t be.

  158. praveen

    Link Mauve: are you saying yax.im implementation is better than these other implementations ?

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  160. Link Mauve


  161. praveen

    As long as people can see a page with options for clients like matrix.to that is enough for my use case.

  162. Link Mauve

    It also doesn’t assume I’m running Android or iOS (I don’t, it’s even written in my user agent) by suggesting clients for my actual OS.

  163. Link Mauve

    Right, that’s my second issue with your two pages, they don’t propose a choice they impose their own client.

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  165. praveen

    Link Mauve: those two are examples

  166. praveen

    I only want that functionality so yax.im one is fine

  167. praveen

    Can we have that on a domain run by xsf ?

  168. praveen

    And recommended for clients to offer that as an additional option to share public muc links?

  169. MattJ

    What's the advantage?

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  171. praveen

    Would Dino IM want to show yax.im links?

  172. praveen

    Wouldn't a page from xsf makes it more appealing for all clients to implement?

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  174. praveen

    Also each client don't have to maintain it separately

  175. praveen

    We already maintain a list of clients, why not integrate this there?

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  183. emus

    Link Mauve & wurstsalat are working on a nice presentation for clients

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  217. Licaon_Kter

    praveen: https://github.com/iNPUTmice/Conversations/issues/2913

  218. Licaon_Kter

    praveen: joinjabber.org / joinxmpp.org ?

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  221. praveen

    Licaon_Kter, that should be fine.

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  223. praveen

    join.jabber.network in the last comment seems good.

  224. Licaon_Kter

    xmpp:chat@joinjabber.org?join praveen: ^^^

  225. praveen

    as long as it is maintained by some project not specific to a particular project and open to contributions that should be find.

  226. emus

    I have today propsoed to get us a join.xmpp.org subdomain

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  231. msavoritias

    It would be nice for all the clients and servers to be there. Much easier to guide people there imo Of course it would need a good presentation

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  233. emus

    Yes, but please see that we all are volunteers. I will be very busy with keeping up Newsletter and organize GSoC - therefore it would be great to have input on these topic and taking over of those task or support to reduce the hours spend on the newsletter for example.

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  259. praveen

    we can just start with join.jabber.network code and improve based on feedback

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  264. wurstsalat

    _we_ can _just_ :)

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  281. emus

    ^ this :-)

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