XSF Communications Team - 2022-01-28

If there are volunteers to PR the onlinepad news into the current draft PR this would be highly appreciated

I think xsf should have a page similar to https://matrix.to currently each app is having its own page like conversations.im/j or blabber.im/j etc

interesting. but how does it exactly work. only with public data right?

It is basically a page anyone can open before they have a matrix app, it gives them a list of all apps for their platform.

For xmpp, we could also do it the same way.

xmpp: links work only if you already have an xmpp app.

Conversations and its forks have an option to share http URL of a group, I think it works only for public groups.

But these are tied to these apps

I think such a service should be available to all apps to use and list all apps for a platform that satisfies some minimum criteria.

praveen, do you mean something like https://yax.im/i/#commteam@muc.xmpp.org?join

Link Mauve: yes

Every app seems to have a different page

Every XMPP service maybe you meant?

I’m not aware of client-specific ones.

Link Mauve: https://blabber.im/j/commteam@muc.xmpp.org

Right, this one both leaks the JID to their server, and assumes I submit to either Google or Apple.

https://conversations.im/j/commteam@muc.xmpp.org

Ok, so some clients do have this client-specific thing, meh. :/

Link Mauve: we are talking about public groups and no personal jid is shared

s/j/i/ in the URL, and suddenly it’s a personal JID.

But in either case, there is no need to leak it to the server is what I meant.

Link Mauve: it is optional

You are not mandated to use it

Well, if you want to share a link with someone who might not use XMPP already, it’s kind of not optional. :p

Link Mauve: what is your point?

Since you are worried about leaking jid, others who are fine with it should not have an option to use it?

That the # character in the link I posted makes it much less of a surveillance device, and there is almost no reason not to use it.

Anything after the # in an URL is not transmitted to the server, and for this kind of trivial page it really shouldn’t be.

Link Mauve: are you saying yax.im implementation is better than these other implementations ?

Yes.

As long as people can see a page with options for clients like matrix.to that is enough for my use case.

It also doesn’t assume I’m running Android or iOS (I don’t, it’s even written in my user agent) by suggesting clients for my actual OS.

Right, that’s my second issue with your two pages, they don’t propose a choice they impose their own client.

Link Mauve: those two are examples

I only want that functionality so yax.im one is fine

Can we have that on a domain run by xsf ?

And recommended for clients to offer that as an additional option to share public muc links?

What's the advantage?

Would Dino IM want to show yax.im links?

Wouldn't a page from xsf makes it more appealing for all clients to implement?

Also each client don't have to maintain it separately

We already maintain a list of clients, why not integrate this there?

Link Mauve & wurstsalat are working on a nice presentation for clients

praveen: https://github.com/iNPUTmice/Conversations/issues/2913

praveen: joinjabber.org / joinxmpp.org ?

Licaon_Kter, that should be fine.

join.jabber.network in the last comment seems good.

xmpp:chat@joinjabber.org?join praveen: ^^^

as long as it is maintained by some project not specific to a particular project and open to contributions that should be find.

I have today propsoed to get us a join.xmpp.org subdomain

It would be nice for all the clients and servers to be there. Much easier to guide people there imo Of course it would need a good presentation

Yes, but please see that we all are volunteers. I will be very busy with keeping up Newsletter and organize GSoC - therefore it would be great to have input on these topic and taking over of those task or support to reduce the hours spend on the newsletter for example.

we can just start with join.jabber.network code and improve based on feedback

_we_ can _just_ :)

^ this :-)