XSF Communications Team - 2023-02-28

@wurstsalat I submitted a modification on GH

nicola: where exaclty? I can't find it

> nicola: where exaclty? I can't find it Here: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/1253/files

Or here: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/1253

not sure if I can't see it or if I don't understand you :) both links point to _merged_ files, and I don't see any comments. if these translations are from you, thank you for that!

nicola: maybe just post it here?

> not sure if I can't see it or if I don't understand you 😊 both links point to _merged_ files, and I don't see any comments. if these translations are from you, thank you for that! My intervention was to change **line 27** with the following: **translation: "Questo articolo è stato tradotto da volontari. Pur facendo del loro meglio, la traduzione potrebbe non essere accurata.”**

thanks

> thanks U R welcome

Re: pr, how come xep-0474 is both 'new' and 'updated' ? :)

Licaon_Kter: that section hasn't been updated yet. I tend to wait until the end of the month, so thanks, good reminder :)

👍

@emus here is my article on the DMA Workshop https://notes.nicfab.eu/en/posts/dmaworkshop/ If you have any comments, please let me know.

Many thanks!

> Many thanks! U R welcome

nicola: Really interesting article thanks for writing it!

nicola: 'e Jan` 'e Stephan' :)

The article is also available on my Gemini capsule here: gemini://notes.nicfab.eu/en/gemlogen/2023/2023-02-28-digitalmarketsact-workshop_en.gmi

oh nice

thanks 😀

> nicola: 'e Jan` 'e Stephan' 😊 Thank you @Licaon_Kter I corrected

I corrected also the title …

nicola: --> newsletter

neox: do you want to support the newsletter preparations outside of github this time? (other volunteers feel free)

nicola: e Markus :)

Is it possible to talk about JoinJabber in the next newsletter maybe? Like promoting support channels?

We've added them in January but we forgot to put anything in the newsletter I think

certainly, but maybe lets advertise the entire page of chats right away, too

Ah you mean the one on xmpp.org?

It's not referencing servers@joinjabber.org I think

https://joinjabber.org/about/community/ or this one?

> nicola: e Markus 😊 Omg! 🤦‍♂️ Thank you @Licaon_Kter I corrected

https://xmpp.org/community/chat/

I think I'd like to change the wording slightly. Specifically the "our" (support chat)

This isn't the XSF

Not entirely sure how to phrase it, but not this

Well, tbh I wonder why we not just started again advertising the existing jUser chat instead of creating a new one

just remove the "our" I would say

It's not a new one it's another one. They're not all the same. Policies matter

yeah, fragmentation fun... has there been a discussion to get a policy for juser if thats so important? We can advertise it under announcement, but then page and chats too please 🙏

emus the reason was that JoinJabber could get the moderation burden. Plus it was already setup with a site and outreach that people will see. Instead of xmpp.org which nobody finds by themselves

Ok I see, but not sure if I understand. (In general I will not put much efforts in fragmenting or side paths when it comes to communication topics)

its simple. right now its written like the chat is from the xsf

(which is not)

its provided by the joinjabber collective

The "our" specifically that pep. mentioned.

And why it cannot be done in the juser? thats discussion seem to pass by me

MSavoritias (fae,ve): yes, I understand that

and is correct of course

you mean why it was decided to have this room? Because it was active and it put less moderation burden on xsf as stated.

Plus people can find it from the joinjabber site

Specifically on jabber.org, but I guess folks there were happy leaving it away? Dunno

which makes more sense because no person will find xmpp.org

MSavoritias (fae,ve): then why not change that? why they dont find it?

Whatever. If the XSF wants to advertize the juser room instead, do that. I personally won't fight it

In any case, we have a support room at joinjabber

Im just confused again how things went rather as stated, we can advertise it, but should use the chance to advertise the other stuff too

What juser room?

https://xmpp.org/community/chat/

There is no juser room on that page

MattJ, I assume emus is talking about the one room on jabber.org?

That existed, or maybe still exists, I don't know

or confusing it with the juser mailing list

does that exist still?

I cant find it

xmpp:jabber@conference.jabber.org?join exists

yeah my bad

It used to be the "user" equivalent to jdev

There was never a juser chat

But jabber@ these days is mostly about jabber.org specifically

We could make it into a generic user support thing again, but I don't see why that's better than pointing to a joinjabber.org chat instead (which is already further in that direction)

MattJ: then maybe this or will it be deprecated?

I just bascially think: if we have xsf chat jdev chat editor chat counil chat at xsf then why not a user one

or support

ok, but we have that as a muc too

I'm going to make this point just because it's fun, not because I think it's a valid one: you're the one talking about fragmentation and you want to create yet another room? :p

ok I see. but my point was ^

For most of its history, jdev was on conference.jabber.org

I need to go offlne pep.: feel free as said to add to the pad

It was barely an "XSF" thing

It was just a thing

pep.: Yes, its right. but you need to step outside: My argumentation as always is: central communication in a decentral network

I'm not sure I understand, but from what I understand I think I disagree

the point was to change the support thing to something like: "Join the support chat provided by the JoinJabber community" or something

I'll PR it

I neither agree nor disagree... I think some centralization is okay, and helpful. I don't think that can be used as an argument to centralize everything, which would be harmful.

I am absolutely okay with our site pointing people in need of assistance to places where they can get that assistance

@emus I don’t know who is elaborating on the newsletter, but if you think it useful, you can add my other article entitled “Digital Service Act: EU Commission Questions and Answers on identification and counting of active recipients of the service under the DSA”, here: https://notes.nicfab.eu/en/posts/dsa-faq/ However, I don’t want to monopolize the newsletter 😊 Feel free

https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/1254

> neox: do you want to support the newsletter preparations outside of github this time? > > (other volunteers feel free) emus: yes, feel free to tell me what do to