XSF Communications Team - 2024-05-16

https://mastinator.com/apology/ > Please do better. The specifications, and implementations need better tools to control things. There also needs to be better education about what people are actually signing up for. They are being promised one thing, it's not the reality they have gotten and the longer this is put off the worse it will be. The statements made on that article may be good to promote Movim.

I have reached to it via https://wedistribute.org/2024/03/contentnation-mastodons-toxicity/ (see "disposable account services").

Movim has largely the same "issues".

Kris, perhaps.

Yet, the good relationships and coordination between the people of eJabberd, Openfire, Prosody etc. allows us to coordinate efforts concerning planning default configurations concerning PubSub. ✏

From my experience, people of XMPP, at large, are of acceptance and do not condescend anybody. We have here people who have started here when they were ~15 years old and today some of them are surrounding substantial traffic rate from all over the XMPP network. Those people where the ones to keep me inside XMPP for some time. Hence, due to these characteristics, I sense that Movim, Libervia et al. are subjected to a better place than ActivityPub.

ActivityPub is just larger and more diverse. The Jabber network is mostly middle aged white males with little reason to squabble amongst themselves.

> ActivityPub is just larger and more diverse. The Jabber network is mostly middle aged white males with little reason to squabble amongst themselves. heh im gonna use that if you dont mind.

this is one of the best descriptions of xmpp i have heard in a while

Sure

IDK about demographics, but disagree on squabbling. _Some_ people and behavior on jabber/xmpp public mucs are no different, or worse, than anywhere on any "social" media.

i think they were rather talking about protocol level than people using the apps and not contributing to protocol development

The "block block block" knee jerk attitude is also widespread, and IMO a failure.

> i think they were rather talking about protocol level than people using the apps and not contributing to protocol development MSavoritias (fae,ve), I was talking about the people. The writing about the teenagers (who are now in their 20's) was a realization of the good attitude people in XMPP have, particularly the developers who are welcoming.

it wasnt about your quote. it was about the quote from Kris that i was referring to

Yes. Sorry. Note that I even recall having a private conversation with Mr. Peter Saint-Andre at the time when I was only fascinated by XMPP and Gajim, and I have also assisted to make QA tests for Gajim too. I was only 20 at that time. ✏

Yes. Sorry. Note that I even recall having a private conversation with Mr. Peter Saint-Andre at the time when I was only fascinated by XMPP and Gajim, and it was when I only began to assist to make QA tests for Gajim too. I was only 20 at that time. ✏

i agree that xmpp is an easy protocol to get into. one of the easier ones at least.

> The "block block block" knee jerk attitude is also widespread, and IMO a failure. opinionplatform.org I agree with you on this, and let me tell you, that I am more than happy when people do it to me, because those are the kind that are probably not useful to no one, and - in some way - you get to see a wolf as a wolf, not a wolf in sheep clothing. The "block" functionality is namely meant to be used as anti-spam, not to be used as a rate against someone. ✏

we already have block as a rating system in xmpp

in multiple places

or something that works exactly the same as that to be exact

I was talking about both.

Its a bit of a moot distinction in a community developed project anyways

fyi today is global accessibility day that i just was aware of https://accessibility.day/

in case xsf wants to post something