XMPP Council - 2010-04-12

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  11. Fritzy Kev: feel like making me a moderator?
  12. Kev Nope.
  13. Kev I don't think Prosody does moderators atm.
  14. Kev Or, well, not admins, anyway.
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  17. ralphm hello fans!
  18. Kev Howdy.
  19. Fritzy ralphm: are you saying we blow?
  20. Kev ralphm: please sign up as a mentor for gsoc.
  21. Kev http://socghop.appspot.com
  22. ralphm Fritzy: nah ;-)
  23. ralphm Kev: unlikely
  24. Kev It's your Council-ly duty to vote on the apps :p
  25. ralphm Kev: do I need to be a mentor for that?
  26. ralphm i.e. I sign up but not actually be a mentor?
  27. Kev You need to have the mentor flag set in the application.
  28. Kev You don't have to mentor a project
  29. ralphm right
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  31. Kev Blimey, everyone who's coming is here before 7.
  32. Kev Best leave it a minute for spectators to turn up, anyway
  33. Kev And we're there, let's start.
  34. Kev 1) Roll call.
  35. Kev Kev, Nathan, Matt, Ralph here.
  36. ralphm woot
  37. Kev Remko sends apologies, as does Peter.
  38. MattJ (/me saves a comment about thinking Prosody doesn't do MUC admins for later :) )
  39. Kev 2) Agenda bashing?
  40. Kev I have some, but I guess I can manage that myself.
  41. Fritzy not this time
  42. Kev 3) XEP-0060 : Publish-Subscribe Accept version 1.13? http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0060-1.13.html Diff: http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0060/diff/1.12/vs/1.13rc15
  43. ralphm I started a complete review of the changes
  44. Fritzy There's at least one error in the spec. In particular publish-only should not be able to configure the node as indicated.
  45. ralphm I do have some comments
  46. ralphm publish-only sounds like an odd thing
  47. Fritzy do I need to vote -1 in order to get such a correction in there?
  48. Kev Fritzy: that would be usual.
  49. Kev I'm -1 because of the config bug, but only because of that, I believe.
  50. ralphm I didn't notice before that publisher information (section is not in SHIM, but in an attribute
  51. Fritzy ralphm: I've been doing thinking about publish-only, and I do see use cases for it.
  52. MattJ Likewise
  53. ralphm Fritzy: really? If you just get another JID you /can/ subscribe?
  54. ralphm or would it be useful if you have a non-open node?
  55. Fritzy ralphm: only potentially -- depends on the auth model.
  56. MattJ ralphm, the latter
  57. Fritzy right
  58. ralphm ok
  59. ralphm I'm not against it
  60. ralphm just wondering
  61. Kev ralphm: the use case suggested (back in September last year!) when this was added was for stuff like myfacefriendsnet
  62. Kev Where you'll allow some service to put photos in your photo stream, but not read what else is there.
  63. ralphm Kev: the temporal aspect is not too important for me :-)
  64. Fritzy contributing to a vote/suggestion box would be another use case.
  65. Kev Right.
  66. Fritzy cool, we're all in agreement then
  67. ralphm ok, but then maybe it should be explained more a bit, that it's only useful with a non-open node
  68. Kev I admit I'm much happier with IQ gone from this.
  69. ralphm Kev: indeed
  70. Kev ralphm: it could be, but equally if you choose to use it, you probably have a use case.
  71. ralphm I'm a bit curious about the removal of batch options
  72. Fritzy -1 due to the ability for publish-only affiliations to configure the node.
  73. Kev The XEP doesn't *need* to tell people why they might use it ;)
  74. ralphm because it is unclear what happens for earlier clients
  75. Kev I'm +1 once the config thing is fixed (so -1 for the few hours it'll take Peter to fix that :))
  76. ralphm Kev: then it can be added as a security concern, for open nodes
  77. Fritzy ralphm: maybe that's prep work for the iq thing?
  78. Kev ralphm: that's fair.
  79. Kev ralphm / MattJ: are you voting tonight,or onlist?
  80. Fritzy was batch only removed to make iq delivery easier?
  81. ralphm Fritzy: I don't mind the removal per se, but I'm unsure what older clients would do
  82. ralphm they would basically fail and have no useful fallback without recoding
  83. MattJ Kev, I think I'm +1, but I wanted to re-read, so I'll vote on-list ASAP
  84. Kev OK.
  85. Kev ralphm: were you voting tonight or on-list?
  86. ralphm on-list
  87. Kev OK.
  88. ralphm I have some more comments
  89. ralphm here or on list?
  90. Kev 4) XEP-0163: PEP Accept version 1.2? http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0163-1.2.html Diff: http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0163/diff/1.1/vs/1.2rc4
  91. Fritzy +1
  92. MattJ +1 also
  93. ralphm I'm +1 on XEP-0163
  94. Kev I was +1 on this last time around, so I imagine I'm +1 now too :)
  95. Kev Excellent.
  96. Kev 5) GSoC
  97. Kev Not much to say - all of Council are mentors now, I've asked Jack to make sure Board all sign up, and we've put a few project people through, if they have applications for those projects.
  98. Kev I'll be sending a mail in a little bit to ask people to start voting on the proposals. I think that's it.
  99. Kev 6) Next meeting.
  100. Kev Same time next week?
  101. ralphm yeah
  102. Fritzy sure
  103. Kev Good enough for me.
  104. Kev 7) AOB?
  105. ralphm Welcome Fritzy!
  106. Fritzy Thanks. :)
  107. Kev Ah yes, that.
  108. MattJ Yes, welcome :)
  109. Kev Thanks to Fritzy for joining the madhouse.
  110. Kev So, we're done then, I think.
  111. Fritzy I'm really excited to a part of this!
  112. Kev Thanks all.
  113. Fritzy cool. ciao
  114. Kev bangs the gavel.
  115. ralphm thanks all!
  116. Kev I'll write up some minutes and send them out at some point before too long.
  117. Fritzy Until we meet again.
  118. MattJ Kev, have you tried making people MUC admins? If it fails, it shouldn't
  119. Kev No, I just thought we couldn't do it for some reason.
  120. ralphm Kev: can you edit the room config?
  121. MattJ None that I know - just lacking automatically making service admins owners
  122. MattJ Oh
  123. Kev ralphm: I can, why?
  124. ralphm (as that's another way of adding moderators)
  125. Kev It's an extensive configuration.
  126. MattJ Whatever happened to the hats proposal?
  127. Kev MUC 3.0
  128. MattJ Simplicity is key :)
  129. ralphm MattJ: It needs to be written up still
  130. Kev Someone should sort that out. I don't think I have time, although I'd love to do so.
  131. ralphm I haven't gotten hold of hildjj yet
  132. ralphm but I haven't tried very hard lately
  133. MattJ It would help pubsub too at this point, it seems :)
  134. ralphm MattJ: yeah
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