XMPP Council - 2010-04-12

Kev: feel like making me a moderator?

Nope.

I don't think Prosody does moderators atm.

Or, well, not admins, anyway.

hello fans!

Howdy.

ralphm: are you saying we blow?

ralphm: please sign up as a mentor for gsoc.

http://socghop.appspot.com

Fritzy: nah ;-)

Kev: unlikely

It's your Council-ly duty to vote on the apps :p

Kev: do I need to be a mentor for that?

i.e. I sign up but not actually be a mentor?

You need to have the mentor flag set in the application.

You don't have to mentor a project

right

Blimey, everyone who's coming is here before 7.

Best leave it a minute for spectators to turn up, anyway

And we're there, let's start.

1) Roll call.

Kev, Nathan, Matt, Ralph here.

woot

Remko sends apologies, as does Peter.

(/me saves a comment about thinking Prosody doesn't do MUC admins for later :) )

2) Agenda bashing?

I have some, but I guess I can manage that myself.

not this time

3) XEP-0060 : Publish-Subscribe Accept version 1.13? http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0060-1.13.html Diff: http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0060/diff/1.12/vs/1.13rc15

I started a complete review of the changes

There's at least one error in the spec. In particular publish-only should not be able to configure the node as indicated.

I do have some comments

publish-only sounds like an odd thing

do I need to vote -1 in order to get such a correction in there?

Fritzy: that would be usual.

I'm -1 because of the config bug, but only because of that, I believe.

I didn't notice before that publisher information (section 7.1.2.3) is not in SHIM, but in an attribute

ralphm: I've been doing thinking about publish-only, and I do see use cases for it.

Likewise

Fritzy: really? If you just get another JID you /can/ subscribe?

or would it be useful if you have a non-open node?

ralphm: only potentially -- depends on the auth model.

ralphm, the latter

right

ok

I'm not against it

just wondering

ralphm: the use case suggested (back in September last year!) when this was added was for stuff like myfacefriendsnet

Where you'll allow some service to put photos in your photo stream, but not read what else is there.

Kev: the temporal aspect is not too important for me :-)

contributing to a vote/suggestion box would be another use case.

Right.

cool, we're all in agreement then

ok, but then maybe it should be explained more a bit, that it's only useful with a non-open node

I admit I'm much happier with IQ gone from this.

Kev: indeed

ralphm: it could be, but equally if you choose to use it, you probably have a use case.

I'm a bit curious about the removal of batch options

-1 due to the ability for publish-only affiliations to configure the node.

The XEP doesn't *need* to tell people why they might use it ;)

because it is unclear what happens for earlier clients

I'm +1 once the config thing is fixed (so -1 for the few hours it'll take Peter to fix that :))

Kev: then it can be added as a security concern, for open nodes

ralphm: maybe that's prep work for the iq thing?

ralphm: that's fair.

ralphm / MattJ: are you voting tonight,or onlist?

was batch only removed to make iq delivery easier?

Fritzy: I don't mind the removal per se, but I'm unsure what older clients would do

they would basically fail and have no useful fallback without recoding

Kev, I think I'm +1, but I wanted to re-read, so I'll vote on-list ASAP

OK.

ralphm: were you voting tonight or on-list?

on-list

OK.

I have some more comments

here or on list?

4) XEP-0163: PEP Accept version 1.2? http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0163-1.2.html Diff: http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0163/diff/1.1/vs/1.2rc4

+1

+1 also

I'm +1 on XEP-0163

I was +1 on this last time around, so I imagine I'm +1 now too :)

Excellent.

5) GSoC

Not much to say - all of Council are mentors now, I've asked Jack to make sure Board all sign up, and we've put a few project people through, if they have applications for those projects.

I'll be sending a mail in a little bit to ask people to start voting on the proposals. I think that's it.

6) Next meeting.

Same time next week?

yeah

sure

Good enough for me.

7) AOB?

Welcome Fritzy!

Thanks. :)

Ah yes, that.

Yes, welcome :)

Thanks to Fritzy for joining the madhouse.

So, we're done then, I think.

I'm really excited to a part of this!

Thanks all.

cool. ciao

thanks all!

I'll write up some minutes and send them out at some point before too long.

Until we meet again.

Kev, have you tried making people MUC admins? If it fails, it shouldn't

No, I just thought we couldn't do it for some reason.

Kev: can you edit the room config?

None that I know - just lacking automatically making service admins owners

Oh

ralphm: I can, why?

(as that's another way of adding moderators)

It's an extensive configuration.

Whatever happened to the hats proposal?

MUC 3.0

Simplicity is key :)

MattJ: It needs to be written up still

Someone should sort that out. I don't think I have time, although I'd love to do so.

I haven't gotten hold of hildjj yet

but I haven't tried very hard lately

It would help pubsub too at this point, it seems :)

MattJ: yeah