XMPP Council - 2010-04-26

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    XMPP Council Room | http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Radar

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  19. Kev


  20. Kev

    We are in need of more people.

  21. Fritzy


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  23. Kev

    Remko and Matt poked, Ralph's not online.

  24. Kev

    Both seem to be AFK.

  25. Fritzy

    how long do you want to give them?

  26. Tobias

    once upon a time there have been calendar entries for council meetings *nitpick*

  27. stpeter recommends getting rid of the sham democracy in the form of the Council and starting a new benevolent dictatorship under his sole and complete control

  28. Kev

    Tobias: remind Matt :)

  29. Kev

    Fritzy: 10 minutes or so.

  30. Kev

    Unless you're only at your PC because of Council, in which case we could make that 5.

  31. Kev

    Oh, yes, I can talk to the registrar while we wait.

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  33. Fritzy

    nope, have to be here anyway

  34. Kev

    stpeter: I think we need a 'stuff that was previously registered' to go with the current namespace registry.

  35. Kev

    Or a 'stuff that was previously in experimental XEPs' rather.

  36. stpeter


  37. Kev

    I spent far too long the other day working out why some clients were using a non-standard namespace, before I found out it's what was used in a previous version of the XEP.

  38. stpeter

    isn't that called "the trash bin"?

  39. stpeter

    well I suppose you folks across the pond say "rubbish"

  40. stpeter

    but it's the same idea

  41. Kev

    It's ok, I can translate to "the trash rubbish" in my head :)

  42. Fritzy


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  44. stpeter

    it seems problematic for the registrar to maintain a registry of unregistered namespaces

  45. stpeter

    unless we'd like a "formerly known as" column in the table

  46. Kev

    Well, in theory we shouldn't get 'formerly known as' any more.

  47. Kev

    Because we've got the cunning :0 :1 stuff for that.

  48. Kev

    Unless we decide to change the namespace instead of versioning it.

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  50. stpeter

    you're talking about pre-cunning namespaces

  51. Kev

    I am.

  52. Kev

    I guess it's not practical to go through and work out what they all were.

  53. stpeter

    I'd prefer not to :)

  54. Kev

    Ok, that's 10 minutes up. Meeting aborted. Thanks guys.

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  56. stpeter

    so next week

  57. stpeter

    and calendar

  58. stpeter


  59. stpeter

    happy to create that calendar item right now

  60. darkrain

    Kev: Out of curiosity, was that with the User Avatar spec? :)

  61. Fritzy

    stpeter: can I get access to JIRA?

  62. Kev

    Next week, yes, Matt usually does the calendar, but you're welcome to :)

  63. Kev

    darkrain: I don't remember, which I find quite distressing.

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  65. stpeter

    Fritzy: Jira or SVN?

  66. Fritzy

    I've got SVN working.

  67. stpeter

    isn't Jira shut down?

  68. stpeter

    pending security concerns?

  69. Fritzy

    ah, ok

  70. Tobias

    i've talked to bear, he wanted to take care of jira tonight

  71. Fritzy

    are we using anything for tracking then?

  72. Kev

    I killed Jira because I was busy, and didn't have time to work out the right thing to do.

  73. Tobias

    take care in the meaning of bringing it back, not killing it completely :D

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  75. Kev

    Bear said there wasn't a vulnerability unless you were also running Apache, so it's probably fine to just upgrade and bring back.

  76. Kev

    If Bear's on that, great :)

  77. Kev

    He won't be getting any less busy when the GSoC slots are announced in 50 minutes, though :)

  78. Kev

    Anyway, I'm AFK now.

  79. Kev

    darkrain: it was xep-154

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  83. stpeter

    calendar updated

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  88. bear

    yes, i'm on jira - was in toronto and that kept me offline a lot more than I wanted (via bad VPN and also work schedule)

  89. bear

    sorry I missed meeting (even if i would just be lurking)

  90. stpeter

    bear: no worries, meeting postponed for lack of a quorum anyway

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  93. MattJ

    Did the meeting time change?

  94. stpeter wonders if the lack of a calendar entry has caused scheduling confusion

  95. stpeter

    Kev seems to have thought it was 18:00 UTC

  96. MattJ

    I thought it was 19:00 :/

  97. Tobias

    without a calendar entry, how could you know :P

  98. stpeter

    yeah so did I, until I poked him via IM

  99. stpeter

    Tobias: exactly

  100. Kev

    It's always 7pm UK time.

  101. stpeter prefers UTC

  102. stpeter

    I have no idea what UK time is :)

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  105. stpeter

    other times not

  106. Tobias

    first they drive on the wrong side, and then they can't get the times right *joking* ;)

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  108. MattJ

    What's an hour between council members? :)

  109. stpeter

    well, I don't even speak English so what would I know?

  110. stpeter

    Fritzy: are you still -1 on XEP-0060?

  111. stpeter pokes Remko for good measure

  112. Fritzy

    stpeter: I'm a +1. Thought I made that clear. I'll re-iterate on the list.

  113. stpeter

    Fritzy: I think I neglected to update the tallies page

  114. Tobias

    stpeter: btw: have you had time to review my changes on xep-0143?

  115. stpeter

    Fritzy: and as soon as 1.13 is published we can start working on 1.14 :)

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  117. bear

    when do I need to poke the board about GSoC student book purchases?

  118. Tobias

    yay...got accepted for GSoC, thanks to all who voted for me, and damn you who didn't ;)

  119. stpeter

    Tobias: yeah I haven't looked at those in a while, will add to my list

  120. Tobias doesn't want to imagine the length of that list

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  122. stpeter

    Tobias: it's fine to make the list shorter :P

  123. stpeter

    bear: in the past I bought the books (we've done that only once, IIRC)

  124. bear

    I think it would be really helpful to purchase the two newer books

  125. bear

    ok, google has updated the GSoC list of accepted projects

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  127. stpeter

    we need to decide which books

  128. bear

    the new guide to jabber is a must IMO - a nice to have would be the javascript one - those are my two suggestions

  129. stpeter

    last time we did non-XMPP books

  130. bear


  131. stpeter

    "Getting Things Done" and "Pragmatic Programmer" I think

  132. Kev

    Sorry, I'm not really here.

  133. stpeter

    Kev: 'sok

  134. Kev

    I don't think we've got any javascript projects, so getting the Strophe book seems a bit daft.

  135. Kev

    I'd go with XMPP: TDG, Pragmatic, and GTD.

  136. bear


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  138. Tobias

    do you know how the SoC web app shows a student whether he/she has been accepted or not?

  139. bear

    ok, review post is up - please poke holes in it

  140. stpeter

    bear: thanks

  141. bear

    it doesn't just yet - you get an email

  142. bear

    all I see is that the list of proposals is now "accepted" or "rejected"

  143. Tobias

    ahh..seems you get a new link at the left with List my Student Projects

  144. Tobias

    their UI could need plenty of improvement

  145. bear

    IIRC I think that was a GSoC project that didn't make it ;)

  146. Tobias

    bear: yeah, it looks that way :)

  147. stpeter

    bear: perhaps we can provide a brief description of each project?

  148. Kev

    We're not allowed to announce until CS says so - has she?

  149. bear

    I was thinking of introducting them after they students have been formally processed

  150. bear

    they have to accept the acceptance and all that

  151. stpeter

    see for instance http://blog.xmpp.org/index.php/2007/04/summer-of-code-projects/

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  154. stpeter

    "sorry, we have not yet accepted your acceptance of the acceptance"

  155. bear

    but I opened that in a tab for later ;)

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  159. bear

    wow - the more I do with GSoC the more I see that needs to be done. I have no idea how you managed to do this solo in the past!

  160. bear hugs stpeter

  161. Kev

    I'll be back at my keyboard a bit later. Do feeel free to poke me to do stuff.

  162. bear

    kev - oh - no worries - i'm just catching up while waiting for a work meeting to start

  163. bear

    we can meet later during your free time for sure

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