XMPP Council - 2010-04-26

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  14. Kev set the topic to XMPP Council Room | http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Radar
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  19. Kev Right.
  20. Kev We are in need of more people.
  21. Fritzy Indeed.
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  23. Kev Remko and Matt poked, Ralph's not online.
  24. Kev Both seem to be AFK.
  25. Fritzy how long do you want to give them?
  26. Tobias once upon a time there have been calendar entries for council meetings *nitpick*
  27. stpeter recommends getting rid of the sham democracy in the form of the Council and starting a new benevolent dictatorship under his sole and complete control
  28. Kev Tobias: remind Matt :)
  29. Kev Fritzy: 10 minutes or so.
  30. Kev Unless you're only at your PC because of Council, in which case we could make that 5.
  31. Kev Oh, yes, I can talk to the registrar while we wait.
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  33. Fritzy nope, have to be here anyway
  34. Kev stpeter: I think we need a 'stuff that was previously registered' to go with the current namespace registry.
  35. Kev Or a 'stuff that was previously in experimental XEPs' rather.
  36. stpeter hmmmmm
  37. Kev I spent far too long the other day working out why some clients were using a non-standard namespace, before I found out it's what was used in a previous version of the XEP.
  38. stpeter isn't that called "the trash bin"?
  39. stpeter well I suppose you folks across the pond say "rubbish"
  40. stpeter but it's the same idea
  41. Kev It's ok, I can translate to "the trash rubbish" in my head :)
  42. Fritzy blimey
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  44. stpeter it seems problematic for the registrar to maintain a registry of unregistered namespaces
  45. stpeter unless we'd like a "formerly known as" column in the table
  46. Kev Well, in theory we shouldn't get 'formerly known as' any more.
  47. Kev Because we've got the cunning :0 :1 stuff for that.
  48. Kev Unless we decide to change the namespace instead of versioning it.
  49. stpeter sure
  50. stpeter you're talking about pre-cunning namespaces
  51. Kev I am.
  52. Kev I guess it's not practical to go through and work out what they all were.
  53. stpeter I'd prefer not to :)
  54. Kev Ok, that's 10 minutes up. Meeting aborted. Thanks guys.
  55. Fritzy ciao
  56. stpeter so next week
  57. stpeter and calendar
  58. stpeter ?
  59. stpeter happy to create that calendar item right now
  60. darkrain Kev: Out of curiosity, was that with the User Avatar spec? :)
  61. Fritzy stpeter: can I get access to JIRA?
  62. Kev Next week, yes, Matt usually does the calendar, but you're welcome to :)
  63. Kev darkrain: I don't remember, which I find quite distressing.
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  65. stpeter Fritzy: Jira or SVN?
  66. Fritzy I've got SVN working.
  67. stpeter isn't Jira shut down?
  68. stpeter pending security concerns?
  69. Fritzy ah, ok
  70. Tobias i've talked to bear, he wanted to take care of jira tonight
  71. Fritzy are we using anything for tracking then?
  72. Kev I killed Jira because I was busy, and didn't have time to work out the right thing to do.
  73. Tobias take care in the meaning of bringing it back, not killing it completely :D
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  75. Kev Bear said there wasn't a vulnerability unless you were also running Apache, so it's probably fine to just upgrade and bring back.
  76. Kev If Bear's on that, great :)
  77. Kev He won't be getting any less busy when the GSoC slots are announced in 50 minutes, though :)
  78. Kev Anyway, I'm AFK now.
  79. Kev darkrain: it was xep-154
  80. stpeter heh
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  83. stpeter calendar updated
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  85. Kev Thanks.
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  88. bear yes, i'm on jira - was in toronto and that kept me offline a lot more than I wanted (via bad VPN and also work schedule)
  89. bear sorry I missed meeting (even if i would just be lurking)
  90. stpeter bear: no worries, meeting postponed for lack of a quorum anyway
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  93. MattJ Did the meeting time change?
  94. stpeter wonders if the lack of a calendar entry has caused scheduling confusion
  95. stpeter Kev seems to have thought it was 18:00 UTC
  96. MattJ I thought it was 19:00 :/
  97. Tobias without a calendar entry, how could you know :P
  98. stpeter yeah so did I, until I poked him via IM
  99. stpeter Tobias: exactly
  100. Kev It's always 7pm UK time.
  101. stpeter prefers UTC
  102. stpeter I have no idea what UK time is :)
  103. MattJ UTC+1
  104. stpeter sometimes
  105. stpeter other times not
  106. Tobias first they drive on the wrong side, and then they can't get the times right *joking* ;)
  107. bear chuckles
  108. MattJ What's an hour between council members? :)
  109. stpeter well, I don't even speak English so what would I know?
  110. stpeter Fritzy: are you still -1 on XEP-0060?
  111. stpeter pokes Remko for good measure
  112. Fritzy stpeter: I'm a +1. Thought I made that clear. I'll re-iterate on the list.
  113. stpeter Fritzy: I think I neglected to update the tallies page
  114. Tobias stpeter: btw: have you had time to review my changes on xep-0143?
  115. stpeter Fritzy: and as soon as 1.13 is published we can start working on 1.14 :)
  116. Fritzy w00t
  117. bear when do I need to poke the board about GSoC student book purchases?
  118. Tobias yay...got accepted for GSoC, thanks to all who voted for me, and damn you who didn't ;)
  119. stpeter Tobias: yeah I haven't looked at those in a while, will add to my list
  120. Tobias doesn't want to imagine the length of that list
  121. Tobias :)
  122. stpeter Tobias: it's fine to make the list shorter :P
  123. stpeter bear: in the past I bought the books (we've done that only once, IIRC)
  124. bear I think it would be really helpful to purchase the two newer books
  125. bear ok, google has updated the GSoC list of accepted projects
  126. bear goes to make a blog post draft
  127. stpeter we need to decide which books
  128. bear the new guide to jabber is a must IMO - a nice to have would be the javascript one - those are my two suggestions
  129. stpeter last time we did non-XMPP books
  130. bear oh
  131. stpeter "Getting Things Done" and "Pragmatic Programmer" I think
  132. Kev Sorry, I'm not really here.
  133. stpeter Kev: 'sok
  134. Kev I don't think we've got any javascript projects, so getting the Strophe book seems a bit daft.
  135. Kev I'd go with XMPP: TDG, Pragmatic, and GTD.
  136. bear k
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  138. Tobias do you know how the SoC web app shows a student whether he/she has been accepted or not?
  139. bear ok, review post is up - please poke holes in it
  140. stpeter bear: thanks
  141. bear it doesn't just yet - you get an email
  142. bear all I see is that the list of proposals is now "accepted" or "rejected"
  143. Tobias ahh..seems you get a new link at the left with List my Student Projects
  144. Tobias their UI could need plenty of improvement
  145. bear IIRC I think that was a GSoC project that didn't make it ;)
  146. Tobias bear: yeah, it looks that way :)
  147. stpeter bear: perhaps we can provide a brief description of each project?
  148. Kev We're not allowed to announce until CS says so - has she?
  149. bear I was thinking of introducting them after they students have been formally processed
  150. bear they have to accept the acceptance and all that
  151. stpeter see for instance http://blog.xmpp.org/index.php/2007/04/summer-of-code-projects/
  152. stpeter ah
  153. stpeter sure
  154. stpeter "sorry, we have not yet accepted your acceptance of the acceptance"
  155. bear but I opened that in a tab for later ;)
  156. stpeter brb
  157. stpeter :)
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  159. bear wow - the more I do with GSoC the more I see that needs to be done. I have no idea how you managed to do this solo in the past!
  160. bear hugs stpeter
  161. Kev I'll be back at my keyboard a bit later. Do feeel free to poke me to do stuff.
  162. bear kev - oh - no worries - i'm just catching up while waiting for a work meeting to start
  163. bear we can meet later during your free time for sure
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