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Kev
set the topic to
XMPP Council Room | http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Radar
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Kev
Right.
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Kev
We are in need of more people.
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Fritzy
Indeed.
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Kev
Remko and Matt poked, Ralph's not online.
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Kev
Both seem to be AFK.
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Fritzy
how long do you want to give them?
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Tobias
once upon a time there have been calendar entries for council meetings *nitpick*
- stpeter recommends getting rid of the sham democracy in the form of the Council and starting a new benevolent dictatorship under his sole and complete control
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Kev
Tobias: remind Matt :)
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Kev
Fritzy: 10 minutes or so.
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Kev
Unless you're only at your PC because of Council, in which case we could make that 5.
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Kev
Oh, yes, I can talk to the registrar while we wait.
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Fritzy
nope, have to be here anyway
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Kev
stpeter: I think we need a 'stuff that was previously registered' to go with the current namespace registry.
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Kev
Or a 'stuff that was previously in experimental XEPs' rather.
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stpeter
hmmmmm
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Kev
I spent far too long the other day working out why some clients were using a non-standard namespace, before I found out it's what was used in a previous version of the XEP.
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stpeter
isn't that called "the trash bin"?
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stpeter
well I suppose you folks across the pond say "rubbish"
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stpeter
but it's the same idea
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Kev
It's ok, I can translate to "the trash rubbish" in my head :)
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Fritzy
blimey
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stpeter
it seems problematic for the registrar to maintain a registry of unregistered namespaces
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stpeter
unless we'd like a "formerly known as" column in the table
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Kev
Well, in theory we shouldn't get 'formerly known as' any more.
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Kev
Because we've got the cunning :0 :1 stuff for that.
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Kev
Unless we decide to change the namespace instead of versioning it.
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stpeter
sure
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stpeter
you're talking about pre-cunning namespaces
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Kev
I am.
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Kev
I guess it's not practical to go through and work out what they all were.
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stpeter
I'd prefer not to :)
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Kev
Ok, that's 10 minutes up. Meeting aborted. Thanks guys.
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Fritzy
ciao
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stpeter
so next week
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stpeter
and calendar
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stpeter
?
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stpeter
happy to create that calendar item right now
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darkrain
Kev: Out of curiosity, was that with the User Avatar spec? :)
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Fritzy
stpeter: can I get access to JIRA?
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Kev
Next week, yes, Matt usually does the calendar, but you're welcome to :)
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Kev
darkrain: I don't remember, which I find quite distressing.
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stpeter
Fritzy: Jira or SVN?
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Fritzy
I've got SVN working.
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stpeter
isn't Jira shut down?
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stpeter
pending security concerns?
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Fritzy
ah, ok
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Tobias
i've talked to bear, he wanted to take care of jira tonight
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Fritzy
are we using anything for tracking then?
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Kev
I killed Jira because I was busy, and didn't have time to work out the right thing to do.
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Tobias
take care in the meaning of bringing it back, not killing it completely :D
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Kev
Bear said there wasn't a vulnerability unless you were also running Apache, so it's probably fine to just upgrade and bring back.
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Kev
If Bear's on that, great :)
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Kev
He won't be getting any less busy when the GSoC slots are announced in 50 minutes, though :)
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Kev
Anyway, I'm AFK now.
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Kev
darkrain: it was xep-154
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stpeter
heh
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stpeter
calendar updated
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Kev
Thanks.
- stpeter wanders off to heat up some lunch
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bear
yes, i'm on jira - was in toronto and that kept me offline a lot more than I wanted (via bad VPN and also work schedule)
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bear
sorry I missed meeting (even if i would just be lurking)
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stpeter
bear: no worries, meeting postponed for lack of a quorum anyway
- MattJ frowns
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MattJ
Did the meeting time change?
- stpeter wonders if the lack of a calendar entry has caused scheduling confusion
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stpeter
Kev seems to have thought it was 18:00 UTC
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MattJ
I thought it was 19:00 :/
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Tobias
without a calendar entry, how could you know :P
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stpeter
yeah so did I, until I poked him via IM
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stpeter
Tobias: exactly
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Kev
It's always 7pm UK time.
- stpeter prefers UTC
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stpeter
I have no idea what UK time is :)
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MattJ
UTC+1
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stpeter
sometimes
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stpeter
other times not
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Tobias
first they drive on the wrong side, and then they can't get the times right *joking* ;)
- bear chuckles
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MattJ
What's an hour between council members? :)
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stpeter
well, I don't even speak English so what would I know?
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stpeter
Fritzy: are you still -1 on XEP-0060?
- stpeter pokes Remko for good measure
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Fritzy
stpeter: I'm a +1. Thought I made that clear. I'll re-iterate on the list.
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stpeter
Fritzy: I think I neglected to update the tallies page
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Tobias
stpeter: btw: have you had time to review my changes on xep-0143?
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stpeter
Fritzy: and as soon as 1.13 is published we can start working on 1.14 :)
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Fritzy
w00t
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bear
when do I need to poke the board about GSoC student book purchases?
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Tobias
yay...got accepted for GSoC, thanks to all who voted for me, and damn you who didn't ;)
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stpeter
Tobias: yeah I haven't looked at those in a while, will add to my list
- Tobias doesn't want to imagine the length of that list
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Tobias
:)
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stpeter
Tobias: it's fine to make the list shorter :P
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stpeter
bear: in the past I bought the books (we've done that only once, IIRC)
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bear
I think it would be really helpful to purchase the two newer books
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bear
ok, google has updated the GSoC list of accepted projects
- bear goes to make a blog post draft
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stpeter
we need to decide which books
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bear
the new guide to jabber is a must IMO - a nice to have would be the javascript one - those are my two suggestions
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stpeter
last time we did non-XMPP books
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bear
oh
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stpeter
"Getting Things Done" and "Pragmatic Programmer" I think
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Kev
Sorry, I'm not really here.
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stpeter
Kev: 'sok
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Kev
I don't think we've got any javascript projects, so getting the Strophe book seems a bit daft.
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Kev
I'd go with XMPP: TDG, Pragmatic, and GTD.
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bear
k
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Tobias
do you know how the SoC web app shows a student whether he/she has been accepted or not?
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bear
ok, review post is up - please poke holes in it
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stpeter
bear: thanks
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bear
it doesn't just yet - you get an email
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bear
all I see is that the list of proposals is now "accepted" or "rejected"
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Tobias
ahh..seems you get a new link at the left with List my Student Projects
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Tobias
their UI could need plenty of improvement
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bear
IIRC I think that was a GSoC project that didn't make it ;)
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Tobias
bear: yeah, it looks that way :)
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stpeter
bear: perhaps we can provide a brief description of each project?
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Kev
We're not allowed to announce until CS says so - has she?
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bear
I was thinking of introducting them after they students have been formally processed
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bear
they have to accept the acceptance and all that
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stpeter
see for instance http://blog.xmpp.org/index.php/2007/04/summer-of-code-projects/
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stpeter
ah
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stpeter
sure
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stpeter
"sorry, we have not yet accepted your acceptance of the acceptance"
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bear
but I opened that in a tab for later ;)
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stpeter
brb
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stpeter
:)
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bear
wow - the more I do with GSoC the more I see that needs to be done. I have no idea how you managed to do this solo in the past!
- bear hugs stpeter
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Kev
I'll be back at my keyboard a bit later. Do feeel free to poke me to do stuff.
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bear
kev - oh - no worries - i'm just catching up while waiting for a work meeting to start
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bear
we can meet later during your free time for sure