XMPP Council - 2010-05-10

Excellent.

hi Kev!!! ;-)

I'm glad that my suggestion that we skip a week so I wouldn't bother turning up for a meeting on holiday was turned down because it's too important that we have a Council meeting every week.

I'm also glad I made the effort to be here.

:P

you get a gold star!

Kev: would you like me to draft warning text for the message archiving spec?

Oh, right, that's still on my list.

I'm pushing on the tech review team regarding the file transfer specs

I'm happy for you to do it if you have the time, I'm unlikely to get to it this week (or next, which looks horrendously busy).

I suppose that Ralph and I need to coordinate about pubsub

I saw you pushing for the file transfer review, thanks.

I have a comment about MUC, unhelpfully.

is it just me or is there a lack of energy of late?

Which is that the disco identity for a room is the same as for a service, which isn't that helpful when you're trying to discover rooms.

good point

(In fact, in the registry there's an entry for a directory of rooms, but MUC doesn't use this, in favour of conference for both service and room)

XEP-0045 was defined soon after XEP-0030 and we didn't have a clear idea of how to use disco at the time

Yes, there's a definite lack of energy within the XSF at the moment.

ok, at least I'm not the only one who thinks so

For me too, because I've been trying to head-down and get Swift done.

nothing says we need to maintain the XSF

we could put it in maintenance mode :)

I think it serves a purpose, it just needs to one of these re-imagining movies that seems to be the rage these days.

:)

So, as the only Council member here, and despite not having quorum, I'm going to declare that there's no meeting next week, and that the next meeting will be 1800GMT 24th May.

maintenance mode?

Evening Ralph.

Kev: someone should put it in the calendar this time ;)

eh, wow. I got messages from the future

Tobias: MattJ volunteered to keep the calendar up to date for us.

Tobias: sure, like we don't do any new work, just maintain the old stuff

stpeter: ahh :)

I thought I added this one to the calendar

could somebody set up ntp for our server?

stpeter: there is an entry for last week

Tobias: you're right

now I'll set up an entry for next week :P

ralphm: it seems to be correct.

i thought there is no meeting next week

?

Comparing it to my NTP-configured machine at home.

or the week after

Tobias: correct. No meeting next week, meeting the week after.

Kev: odd, I got messages from 20:12 in the history when I joined

So there was one today, 10th May. None 17th May. Next is 24th May

Kev: got it

stpeter: glamorous.

What's there?

Kev: IESG retreat, not so glamorous ;-)

Hutje op de hei?

Anyway, it's over 10 minutes now, we've only got Ralph and me, so no quorum.

I checked in changes to council/events.xml

I'll send out not-minutes saying as such, telling people we're skipping next week.

Thanks Peter.

I'll then go and enjoy my week off.

Kev: enjoy!

Sorry, my train was delayed

ralphm: how would you like to work on XEP-0060?

After 1.13?

no, for 1.13

we need to de-delete some stuff

things that were in 1.12

ah

I thought we might be able to just revert some commits

;-)

ralphm: I doubt it will be quite that easy

yeah

Right, thanks for turning up, AFK now.

Let's see

ralphm: if you could find line numbers in the diff from 1.12 then I can revert those changes

that would be http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0060/diff/1.12/vs/1.13rc13 I suppose

(or section numbers)

I could extract both versions and run it through meld

selectively copying diffs back and forth

and then commit

sure that would be fine

I wonder if I still have an account

I think we're talking about a few small sections of the document

yeah

heck, if you tell me which sections I can find the appropriate diffs from 1.12

hi nathan!

Howdy. :/ Sorry I'm late.

nathan: this meeting didn't get into the calendar

reaching quorum here

heh

Remko is offline

Matt?

he's NA

or xa

stpeter: strangely calendars don'T seem to be builded automatically anymore

i'll investigate that later

Tobias: ok

Tobias: maybe I didn't run the right script?

the way it's supposed to work is that you don't need to run any script :)

stpeter: at least 7.1

heh

ralphm: right

so the issues were (1) batch processing and ...?

something about subids

sid's for pending subscriptions

I think also 7.2

as I see batch item retractions were removed, too

12.8/10

12.9

ok

reference [20] in Appendix G

sure, I can just search for "batch" in the SVN history

Oh, right ;-)

I just happened to look in all the places, I see

ok I shall take a look at that one evening this week

there is also a link to result-set management that had reference 20

then you, nathan, and I can chat about 1.13+

and now seems to just mention a XEP number

yes

Ah, that's also in my notes

As the old 20 seems to be equivalent to 19

that could maybe merge

but that'd mean renumbering all others, so probably not a good idea

those are just reference numbers, I don't care about renumbering

oh

good thing nobody ever uses these numbers

in legal texts they just just leave vacancies

:)

no lawyers here, just us geeks!

nod

ok cool

on the phone, brb