XMPP Council - 2010-06-14

  1. Kev


  2. Fritzy

    Thanks for the poke.

  3. ralphm


  4. Kev

    Matt's on his way, and Remko's online.

  5. Kev

    And now Remko's on his way.

  6. MattJ

    Sorry, had my head down in a release :)

  7. Fritzy

    Congrats, Matt.

  8. Kev

    Know what that feels like.

  9. Kev

    Well, betas anyway.

  10. Kev

    Full house!

  11. remko

    hi all!

  12. remko


  13. MattJ


  14. Kev

    Shiny new JID, Matt?

  15. Fritzy

    so, when're we upgrading xmpp:xmpp.org?

  16. Kev

    1) Roll call. All present.

  17. MattJ

    I've been using this for some time, it depends which Gajim decides to use to join the a new MUC :)

  18. Kev

    2) Agenda bashing?

  19. MattJ

    None here

  20. Kev

    I've poked Peter in case he'd like to join.

  21. Fritzy


  22. Kev

    He doesn't seem to be about on his public account though, so I imagine he's head-down with something, and his presence isn't mandatory :)

  23. Kev

    I confess I've not reviewed much for Council today, and'll be voting on list.

  24. Kev

    3) XEP-0124: BOSH http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0124-1.10.html Diff: http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0124/diff/1.9/vs/1.10rc1

  25. Kev

    Accept new version?

  26. remko

    same here, i'll vote on list

  27. Fritzy

    I'll vote on list

  28. ralphm


  29. Fritzy

    looks like it's just jabber.org -> example.com

  30. ralphm

    and scram instead of DIGEST-MD5

  31. MattJ


  32. Kev

    I see other changes.

  33. Kev

    But they seem to be wordsmithing.

  34. Kev

    4) XEP-0206: XMPP Over BOSH http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0206-1.3.html Diff: http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0206/diff/1.2/vs/1.3rc1 Accept new version?

  35. MattJ

    Hmm, there was meant to be a 'restartlogic' attribute somewhere, I don't see it

  36. ralphm

    yeah, the changelog only mentions restartlogic stuff

  37. MattJ

    Maybe next version :)

  38. ralphm

    see section 4

  39. MattJ

    The diff shows no changes in section 4

  40. ralphm

    in 206

  41. MattJ

    Whoops :P

  42. ralphm

    they are just released together

  43. ralphm

    +1 by the way

  44. Kev

    Matt, Remko, Fritzy?

  45. Fritzy

    list on this as well

  46. remko


  47. Fritzy

    I'll go through it today.

  48. MattJ

    I'd like to say I don't find 'restartlogic' an explanatory name, but +1

  49. Kev

    5) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sxe.html Accept as Experimental?

  50. ralphm

    I have some notes on this

  51. Kev

    I need to read this again.

  52. Fritzy

    it's been awhile

  53. ralphm

    I wonder why it doesn't establish a more generic p2p stream, like the xep we have for that

  54. MattJ

    I need to read it again, but I looked at it not long ago

  55. remko

    i ned to read it too, but i don't -1 against making it experimental

  56. MattJ

    Has anyone mentioned Infinote: http://infinote.org/ ?

  57. Kev

    ralphm: Is that "I'm going to to -1 it and make comments" or "Ok, and I'll post comments", or "I'll postcoments and veto/notveto later"?

  58. MattJ

    It seems like there's some duplication that may be going on here (perhaps that's not terrible)

  59. ralphm

    I meant XEP-0246

  60. ralphm

    no a strong +1

  61. MattJ

    Though Infinote is geared towards just text documents, where-as I understand SXE is aiming above that

  62. ralphm

    just wanted to get this out, before I forget

  63. MattJ

    They just seem related

  64. Fritzy

    right -- any XML based document.

  65. ralphm

    so it could be in the notes

  66. Kev

    I probably need to read up on operational transforms at some point.

  67. stpeter

    sorry about that

  68. Kev

    Evening Peter.

  69. Kev

    Ok, so we'll wait for everyone's comments on list, apart from Ralph who's in favour.

  70. stpeter

    I was so focused that I missed your IM

  71. Fritzy

    I'll read up on infinote and vote on list.

  72. ralphm

    this space needs a solution, and making it a XEP enables people to go forward

  73. Fritzy

    SXE has been around for quite awhile.

  74. stpeter consults http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/council/100614/

  75. Kev

    I'm principally in favour, i jsut want to read it again.

  76. Fritzy

    and I get questions about this problem space a lot.

  77. Fritzy

    so you're definitely right, Ralph.

  78. Kev

    6) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/moved.html Accept as Experimental.

  79. ralphm

    Fritzy: I know, I'm pretty sure I voted in favour before ;-)

  80. ralphm


  81. remko


  82. ralphm

    and wondering why it doesn't use the 'gone' xmpp stanza error

  83. Kev

    I remember reading this and having assorted comments. I'll write them up at some point.

  84. stpeter

    ralphm: yeah I mentioned that to the author but he didn't add it yet

  85. Kev

    +1 in the meantime.

  86. ralphm

    stpeter: cool

  87. MattJ

    Well if we're happy it's going to be changed, +1

  88. Fritzy

    +1 + comments on list.

  89. Kev

    7) Date of next meeting.

  90. Kev

    Next Monday, 1600GMT as usual?

  91. ralphm


  92. MattJ


  93. ralphm


  94. Kev


  95. ralphm


  96. Kev

    ahem :)

  97. remko


  98. Fritzy


  99. Kev

    8) Any other business.

  100. stpeter

    (BTW there is an implementation of SXE for whiteboarding on the iPad, developed by the new co-author of the spec)

  101. Fritzy

    What are we going to work on at the OSCON Summit?

  102. Kev

    There are other items on Radar that I need to chat with Peter about and see where we are with Council actions.

  103. Kev

    Fritzy: 'we'? :)

  104. stpeter

    Fritzy: feel free to write the agenda

  105. ralphm

    stpeter: does that mean that changes are difficult?

  106. stpeter

    ralphm: no

  107. stpeter

    I met Tom at the Anaheim IETF and he was quite flexible about fixes to the spec

  108. ralphm


  109. stpeter

    Fritzy: personally, I'm not sure about the value of a Summit if all we do is have interesting discussions (as at the last one) but nothing tangible comes out of it

  110. stpeter

    so if we can have hackfests, interop, code sprints, or something other than bloviating I'd be all in favor :P

  111. stpeter

    (and I'm the bloviator-in-chief so it's mostly my fault)

  112. Fritzy

    The last one? Didn't you have some of that in Belgium?

  113. Kev

    stpeter: you're welcome to get everyone coding with Swiften :)

  114. stpeter

    Fritzy: I missed that first day

  115. Fritzy

    N900 day?

  116. ralphm

    I'm not sure I'm going to make it

  117. Kev

    The thing about the summits, I find, is that the value is mostly in all the out-of-band stuff.

  118. Fritzy

    I'll save a seat for you, Ralph.

  119. Kev

    That can only happen because there's a summit.

  120. ralphm

    but I sure would have enjoyed people staying around longer

  121. stpeter

    ralphm: do you know about the microblogging summit the day before?

  122. ralphm

    eh, no

  123. stpeter

    plus this Summit is happening right before I need to fly to Europe for IETF 78

  124. ralphm

    I'm a bit out of touch with stuff :-(

  125. Kev

    Anyway, I think we're treading out of 'Needs to be in Council' now.

  126. stpeter

    maybe we could have an informal get-together in Maastricht

  127. stpeter

    Kev: yepper

  128. Kev

    Anything else that needs doing before gavel-banging time?

  129. ralphm

    stpeter: very much so

  130. stpeter

    ralphm: I could request a room for an XMPP hackfest on Sunday before the IETF meeting really gets going

  131. ralphm


  132. Kev

    Right, sounds like we're done with Council.

  133. Fritzy

    Kev: I think so.

  134. Kev

    Thanks all - I'll send around minutes tomorrow.

  135. Kev bangs the gavel.

  136. ralphm

    Fritzy: seat from .nl?

  137. MattJ

    Thanks Kev

  138. stpeter is working through http://matthewwild.co.uk/uploads/3920bis_wglc_feedback.html today

  139. ralphm


  140. MattJ has been working through http://blog.prosody.im/prosody-0-7-0-released/ and is now going to take the week off :)

  141. Kev

    A week off sounds lovely, and I only just had one :)

  142. stpeter


  143. ralphm

    Personal stuff and work has kept me from doing proper reviews :-(

  144. Kev

    Three betas in a fortnight has been hard work :)

  145. stpeter

    my vacation time is piling up, no time to take it

  146. ralphm

    I had to promise to take time off

  147. stpeter


  148. ralphm

    time to watch some soccer

  149. stpeter


  150. stpeter

    world cup time yet again

  151. ralphm


  152. ralphm

    .nl vs .dk 2-0

  153. ralphm


  154. stpeter


  155. stpeter

    het oranje!

  156. ralphm

    MattJ: hope the freebsd port gets an update soon

  157. MattJ

    I'm going to install FreeBSD myself if needs be

  158. MattJ

    It *shall* be fixed :)

  159. ralphm


  160. ralphm

    I've been thinking about sift a bit, for clients that don't support it directly, maybe having some kind of server setting for enabling it based on resource or some other means would be nice

  161. ralphm

    (like my N900, presence seems to hammer the battery quite a bit)

  162. Fritzy

    MattJ: You found the BOSH leak then?

  163. MattJ

    Fritzy, yep, that was quite amazing :)

  164. Fritzy

    ralphm: interesting.

  165. MattJ

    It was about 4 issues combined to cause the same symptoms

  166. Fritzy

    love those!

  167. Kev

    ralphm: tried compiling Swift for it yet? :)

  168. MattJ

    1 only occured when the user used Firefox, one only occured when Apache was used to proxy

  169. ralphm

    Kev: I expected a package from you ;-)

  170. MattJ

    1 was essentially random

  171. Kev

    I don't have a shiny n900 to test with :)

  172. Kev

    Those nasty Nokia people made me give it back.

  173. Fritzy

    MattJ: crazy... well, I'll run 0.7 through it's paces in production starting today.

  174. MattJ

    Good luck :)

  175. ralphm

    Kev: don't you need it for work?

  176. MattJ

    It's made a record for having 1 minor bug during a 2+ week RC

  177. Kev

    ralphm: heh, that might be a hard sell :)

  178. Fritzy

    Kev: is Swift getting SCRAM?

  179. Kev

    Fritzy: Getting?

  180. Fritzy

    ah, it has it? very nice.

  181. Kev

    November 21st, says git log

  182. Kev

    commit 2c8bfd7c49bd16bebbf0b89c01fce7817afab74f Author: Remko Tronçon <git@el-tramo.be> Date: Sat Nov 21 01:59:21 2009 +0100 Implemented SCRAM-SHA-1 for real now.

  183. MattJ

    Also of interest: http://www.nödåtgärd.se/non-scientific-jabber-client-test/

  184. Kev


  185. stpeter

    heh, http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/council/100614/ doesn't think that URL is legit :)

  186. MattJ