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Kev
Evening.
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Fritzy
Thanks for the poke.
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ralphm
hi
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Kev
Matt's on his way, and Remko's online.
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Kev
And now Remko's on his way.
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MattJ
Sorry, had my head down in a release :)
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Fritzy
Congrats, Matt.
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Kev
Know what that feels like.
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Kev
Well, betas anyway.
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Kev
Full house!
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remko
hi all!
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remko
powerrr!
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MattJ
:)
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Kev
Shiny new JID, Matt?
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Fritzy
so, when're we upgrading xmpp:xmpp.org?
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Kev
1) Roll call. All present.
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MattJ
I've been using this for some time, it depends which Gajim decides to use to join the a new MUC :)
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Kev
2) Agenda bashing?
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MattJ
None here
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Kev
I've poked Peter in case he'd like to join.
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Fritzy
nodda
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Kev
He doesn't seem to be about on his public account though, so I imagine he's head-down with something, and his presence isn't mandatory :)
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Kev
I confess I've not reviewed much for Council today, and'll be voting on list.
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Kev
3) XEP-0124: BOSH http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0124-1.10.html Diff: http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0124/diff/1.9/vs/1.10rc1
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Kev
Accept new version?
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remko
same here, i'll vote on list
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Fritzy
I'll vote on list
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ralphm
+1
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Fritzy
looks like it's just jabber.org -> example.com
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ralphm
and scram instead of DIGEST-MD5
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MattJ
+1
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Kev
I see other changes.
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Kev
But they seem to be wordsmithing.
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Kev
4) XEP-0206: XMPP Over BOSH http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0206-1.3.html Diff: http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0206/diff/1.2/vs/1.3rc1 Accept new version?
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MattJ
Hmm, there was meant to be a 'restartlogic' attribute somewhere, I don't see it
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ralphm
yeah, the changelog only mentions restartlogic stuff
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MattJ
Maybe next version :)
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ralphm
see section 4
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MattJ
The diff shows no changes in section 4
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ralphm
in 206
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MattJ
Whoops :P
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ralphm
they are just released together
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ralphm
+1 by the way
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Kev
Matt, Remko, Fritzy?
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Fritzy
list on this as well
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remko
dito
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Fritzy
I'll go through it today.
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MattJ
I'd like to say I don't find 'restartlogic' an explanatory name, but +1
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Kev
5) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sxe.html Accept as Experimental?
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ralphm
I have some notes on this
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Kev
I need to read this again.
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Fritzy
it's been awhile
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ralphm
I wonder why it doesn't establish a more generic p2p stream, like the xep we have for that
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MattJ
I need to read it again, but I looked at it not long ago
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remko
i ned to read it too, but i don't -1 against making it experimental
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MattJ
Has anyone mentioned Infinote: http://infinote.org/ ?
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Kev
ralphm: Is that "I'm going to to -1 it and make comments" or "Ok, and I'll post comments", or "I'll postcoments and veto/notveto later"?
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MattJ
It seems like there's some duplication that may be going on here (perhaps that's not terrible)
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ralphm
I meant XEP-0246
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ralphm
no a strong +1
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MattJ
Though Infinote is geared towards just text documents, where-as I understand SXE is aiming above that
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ralphm
just wanted to get this out, before I forget
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MattJ
They just seem related
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Fritzy
right -- any XML based document.
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ralphm
so it could be in the notes
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Kev
I probably need to read up on operational transforms at some point.
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stpeter
sorry about that
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Kev
Evening Peter.
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Kev
Ok, so we'll wait for everyone's comments on list, apart from Ralph who's in favour.
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stpeter
I was so focused that I missed your IM
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Fritzy
I'll read up on infinote and vote on list.
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ralphm
this space needs a solution, and making it a XEP enables people to go forward
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Fritzy
SXE has been around for quite awhile.
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Kev
I'm principally in favour, i jsut want to read it again.
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Fritzy
and I get questions about this problem space a lot.
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Fritzy
so you're definitely right, Ralph.
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Kev
6) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/moved.html Accept as Experimental.
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ralphm
Fritzy: I know, I'm pretty sure I voted in favour before ;-)
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ralphm
+1
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remko
+1
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ralphm
and wondering why it doesn't use the 'gone' xmpp stanza error
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Kev
I remember reading this and having assorted comments. I'll write them up at some point.
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stpeter
ralphm: yeah I mentioned that to the author but he didn't add it yet
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Kev
+1 in the meantime.
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ralphm
stpeter: cool
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MattJ
Well if we're happy it's going to be changed, +1
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Fritzy
+1 + comments on list.
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Kev
7) Date of next meeting.
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Kev
Next Monday, 1600GMT as usual?
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ralphm
+1
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MattJ
+1
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ralphm
ehm
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Kev
1800
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ralphm
1800UTC
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Kev
ahem :)
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remko
wfm
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Fritzy
ok
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Kev
8) Any other business.
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stpeter
(BTW there is an implementation of SXE for whiteboarding on the iPad, developed by the new co-author of the spec)
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Fritzy
What are we going to work on at the OSCON Summit?
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Kev
There are other items on Radar that I need to chat with Peter about and see where we are with Council actions.
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Kev
Fritzy: 'we'? :)
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stpeter
Fritzy: feel free to write the agenda
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ralphm
stpeter: does that mean that changes are difficult?
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stpeter
ralphm: no
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stpeter
I met Tom at the Anaheim IETF and he was quite flexible about fixes to the spec
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ralphm
nod
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stpeter
Fritzy: personally, I'm not sure about the value of a Summit if all we do is have interesting discussions (as at the last one) but nothing tangible comes out of it
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stpeter
so if we can have hackfests, interop, code sprints, or something other than bloviating I'd be all in favor :P
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stpeter
(and I'm the bloviator-in-chief so it's mostly my fault)
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Fritzy
The last one? Didn't you have some of that in Belgium?
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Kev
stpeter: you're welcome to get everyone coding with Swiften :)
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stpeter
Fritzy: I missed that first day
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Fritzy
N900 day?
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ralphm
I'm not sure I'm going to make it
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Kev
The thing about the summits, I find, is that the value is mostly in all the out-of-band stuff.
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Fritzy
I'll save a seat for you, Ralph.
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Kev
That can only happen because there's a summit.
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ralphm
but I sure would have enjoyed people staying around longer
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stpeter
ralphm: do you know about the microblogging summit the day before?
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ralphm
eh, no
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stpeter
plus this Summit is happening right before I need to fly to Europe for IETF 78
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ralphm
I'm a bit out of touch with stuff :-(
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Kev
Anyway, I think we're treading out of 'Needs to be in Council' now.
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stpeter
maybe we could have an informal get-together in Maastricht
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stpeter
Kev: yepper
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Kev
Anything else that needs doing before gavel-banging time?
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ralphm
stpeter: very much so
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stpeter
ralphm: I could request a room for an XMPP hackfest on Sunday before the IETF meeting really gets going
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ralphm
cool
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Kev
Right, sounds like we're done with Council.
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Fritzy
Kev: I think so.
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Kev
Thanks all - I'll send around minutes tomorrow.
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ralphm
Fritzy: seat from .nl?
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MattJ
Thanks Kev
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ralphm
wow
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Kev
A week off sounds lovely, and I only just had one :)
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stpeter
heh
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ralphm
Personal stuff and work has kept me from doing proper reviews :-(
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Kev
Three betas in a fortnight has been hard work :)
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stpeter
my vacation time is piling up, no time to take it
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ralphm
I had to promise to take time off
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stpeter
:)
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ralphm
time to watch some soccer
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stpeter
heh
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stpeter
world cup time yet again
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ralphm
indeed
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ralphm
.nl vs .dk 2-0
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ralphm
today
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stpeter
yep
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stpeter
het oranje!
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ralphm
MattJ: hope the freebsd port gets an update soon
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MattJ
I'm going to install FreeBSD myself if needs be
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MattJ
It *shall* be fixed :)
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ralphm
haha
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ralphm
I've been thinking about sift a bit, for clients that don't support it directly, maybe having some kind of server setting for enabling it based on resource or some other means would be nice
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ralphm
(like my N900, presence seems to hammer the battery quite a bit)
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Fritzy
MattJ: You found the BOSH leak then?
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MattJ
Fritzy, yep, that was quite amazing :)
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Fritzy
ralphm: interesting.
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MattJ
It was about 4 issues combined to cause the same symptoms
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Fritzy
love those!
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Kev
ralphm: tried compiling Swift for it yet? :)
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MattJ
1 only occured when the user used Firefox, one only occured when Apache was used to proxy
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ralphm
Kev: I expected a package from you ;-)
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MattJ
1 was essentially random
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Kev
I don't have a shiny n900 to test with :)
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Kev
Those nasty Nokia people made me give it back.
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Fritzy
MattJ: crazy... well, I'll run 0.7 through it's paces in production starting today.
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MattJ
Good luck :)
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ralphm
Kev: don't you need it for work?
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MattJ
It's made a record for having 1 minor bug during a 2+ week RC
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Kev
ralphm: heh, that might be a hard sell :)
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Fritzy
Kev: is Swift getting SCRAM?
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Kev
Fritzy: Getting?
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Fritzy
ah, it has it? very nice.
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Kev
November 21st, says git log
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Kev
commit 2c8bfd7c49bd16bebbf0b89c01fce7817afab74f Author: Remko Tronçon <git@el-tramo.be> Date: Sat Nov 21 01:59:21 2009 +0100 Implemented SCRAM-SHA-1 for real now.
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MattJ
Also of interest: http://www.nödåtgärd.se/non-scientific-jabber-client-test/
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Kev
Yes.
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stpeter
heh, http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/council/100614/ doesn't think that URL is legit :)
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MattJ
:P
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